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Snowden In 2009 Said Leakers Should Be ‘Shot In The Balls’

Looks like NSA leaker Edward Snowden isn’t the hero of freedom and transparency he’s come to be worshiped as.  According to a piece published in The Huffington Post, Snowden didn’t care much for classified leaks in 2009, demonstrating that he might just be a fame-seeking, self-serving Ron Paul acolyte after all.  Regardless of what you think of the NSA PRISM program, this kind of egregious hypocrisy is quite revealing.

According to The Huffington Post:

“The technology website ArsTechnica published IRC chats where he railed against a New York Times story about the U.S. rejecting an Israeli request for aid to attack an Iranian nuclear site and the United States’ covert efforts to sabotage Iran’s nuclear program. ”

“Are they TRYING to start a war? Jesus christ. they’re like wikileaks,” Snowden said.

Another chat user replied, “they’re just reporting, dude!”

Snowden responded, “moreover, who the f*ck are the anonymous sources telling them this?  Those people should be shot in the balls.”

Oh really, Mr. Snowden? It gets better…or worse. During the same chat Snowden decried leaking classified information because it endangers our National Security – which is the same reason Snowden’s leaks have been criticized!

A chat user asked Snowden, “is it unethical to report on the government’s intrigue?”

Snowden replied “VIOLATING NATIONAL SECURITY? no.”

The chat user quipped, “meh. national security.”

Snowden exploded,

“Um, YEEEEEEEEEEEES.that sh*t is classified for a reason. It’s not because “oh we hope our citizens don’t find out. it’s because “this sh*t won’t work if iran knows what we’re doing. I am so angry right now. This is completely unbelievable.”

This kind of staggering nauseating hypocrisy is completely unbelievable.

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  • Cat

    Maybe it is weird but I don’t care if government record my phone calls or spy on what I said in the internet or to my friends. I really care that whatever I said or whatever opinion I expressed I can’t be harassed or hurt for that unless it actually was a planning of some sort of an action that could hurt other people, like terrorist action. I should be able to say openly about my religion or political views whatever they are – Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Marxist or Tee Party conservative. As a teen ager I lived in USSR. We used to make jokes about government etc, and once on a phone my friend told me – be careful, KGB can listen it. I replied – that would be great, at least I’ll get them to know my opinion, the saddest thing is that most likely they don’t listen because they don’t give a crap. Bottom line is I don’t really care if government is spying on me, I would be more disappointed if government don’t give a crap about my opinion. Another thought about privacy is that I see many people on facebook washing publicly their dirty clothes while they are the first who gets shy if government “violates their privacy”. Well, for me freedom is about been able to say openly my opinion and express my intensions, it is not about being able to hide something.

  • JP

    He thought THAT then, when he was deep in the NSA. He got fed up and thinks THIS now. If he had to stick to his same old opinions despite what he’s learned or become fed up with since, then he’d be a “republican.” But he’s not sticking to old opinions- obviously, he’s a human being.

    • Bob Cull

      He was NOT “deep in the NSA” in 2009, he only worked for Booz Allen for three months so he was at the NSA for less than those three months. He has admitted that he went to Booz Allen for a job so that he could infiltrate NSA. He is just what I said he was from the start, a hacker with a desire to make a big name for himself and make as much money as he can in the process. He is a traitor and should he be captured he should never see the light of day again for as long as he lives!

      • Mystery Moves

        I agree with on every point, but once behind bars he should be entitled to the light from a bulb.

      • Hoover-as in a legitimately elected Republican President…

        not a traitor, but a god-inspired revolutionary of the truth

        • Bob Cull

          No, he is neither “god inspired” nor a revolutionary, he is a criminal and a traitor! If he was inspired by anything it was MONEY!

          • Hoover-as in a legitimately elected Republican President…

            i have to disagree;
            Bush jr, Cheney, Rove are traitors and committed treason, besides being otherwise criminal.
            btw, i would inquire, who paid him? and how much?
            in my opinion, at this point of public knowledge [in so far as one may decode manufactured Pravda-esque lies of our media...] i would have say it was an act of derring-do that benefits us all in so far as we might respond in a mass manner against the construction of a tyranny in this nation that makes anything that George III’s Parliaments did against their American colonies seem rather anodine by comparison.

          • Bob Cull

            He is a garden variety criminal, there was no noble action to expose anything. Anyone who keeps abreast of current affairs has known the NSA was collecting this data since right after the Patriot Act was passed. He knew it, that was why he plotted to gain access which would allow him to hack into information that he was not authorized to access. We do not know what he stole, no one does. The last we heard from him directly he said even he did not know what all he had downloaded. The major difference between this program under the current administration and Dubya/Cheney is that this administration took the trouble to obtain warrants first and Dubya didn’t bother with them. There is NO defense for this snot nosed little POS traitor!

  • Evan

    In other words, anything you say can NEVER change. Does this pop psychology formula mean that Paul Deen cannot possibly be sorry, because after all, she said it, and therefore has the scarlet-colored word “RACIST” tattooed to her forehead for life? That is exactly the sentiment this article is suggesting if applied consistently across the board. That we can never change in the eyes of the all-wise judgmental world, so why bother even trying?

  • John7878

    I think it’s fairly obvious that Snowden was paranoid about being spied on himself and was putting on a show for the benefit of those spying. It didn’t hurt any that in that case the leakers were not benefitting the American people in any way. Rather Snowden benefitted us or not remains to be seen but he may have seen himself as a hero for doing this (we have no way of knowing rather there was some alterior motive at this point, his life certainly hasn’t gotten better yet if that was his motivation).

  • Yes, I Read

    Are you kidding? Those aren’t quite the same. This article is better suited for Breitbart.com or The Blaze.

    • Chuck Hanger

      I agree. People have the ability to change the way they think or perceive things. This article is one of many painting an image of Snowden out of speculation….similar to a conversation you would find in the comments forum of an article. I’m a bit surprised to see it as the actual article.

  • intro

    Why are you even bothering to post this? His motivations, his hypocrisy (assuming he didn’t simply have a change in perspective over the course of four years), it’s all irrelevant.

    What matters is what he revealed to us: that this program exists, that our government is spying on us all without any visibility into what they’re doing or why, that they’re arguably violating the fourth amendment (though whether private data qualifies as personal property/effects/etc. is a discussion I expect the courts will have to settle).

    Obsessing over his political views, over his comments in a chat room four years ago, it’s all just a distraction from the real issue. Prism exists. The NSA is spying. We need answers.

    Don’t feed the distraction machine. I expect more of you guys. You know better than to post this kind of garbage.

    • Bob Cull

      What planet have you been living on for the last decade that you were not aware that this was going on and that it is covered under the Patriot Act, a bad law but nonetheless law? You do not even have standing to bring suit in the matter since none of YOUR property or data has been affected by the program. The data that has been collected belongs to the service providers not their customers. Snowden is NOT a hero! He is a common garden variety hacker turned traitor!

      • intro

        I suspected it was going on in a small way. I didn’t expect it to be a dragnet, as we’ve discovered it is.

        I think you and I have a very different view of what qualifies as personal property/effects. I consider my data personal and private. If I hire a company to store it for me, I feel they should protect it for me, not give it wholesale to the government. ESPECIALLY if I’ve encrypted it.

        I agree with you that legally it’s messy. I think what will settle this is a trip to the Supreme Court to determine whether 4th amendment protections apply to data or “virtual property.”

        But just because I acknowledge that doesn’t mean that I suddenly think this program is okay. It is NOT okay for America to become a surveillance state, and this is a huge component of it becoming one.

        Would you feel differently if Mitt Romney was at the wheel of this program?

        As for Snowden, I question whether he’s a hero. I don’t consider him a traitor. He betrayed the government in the interest of the American people. The NSA, the president, congress… a lot of people forget this, but they are our EMPLOYEES. They’re not our rulers, they’re not our kings. They work for US. And they should not be spying on us without some level of disclosure. The director of the NSA perjured himself in front of congress in order to keep this a secret. If anyone’s a traitor, he is.

        Snowden is a complicated person. Based on what I’ve learned about his past, in part through this article, I’m not convinced he’s a white knight. But I don’t really care. The issue here is the program and the lying on the part of our government, not the character of the person who exposed it.

        • Bob Cull

          There is much about the Patriot Act that I do not like and I have not liked it from the start. It has nothing to do with who is in the Oval Office, it is a bad law which was cobbled together way too fast. Everyone knows that a job done in a hurry is a job done poorly.

          The major difference between the use of the law under the current administration is that the previous administration interpreted the law as saying that they could do these things without first obtaining warrants and this one has obtained those warrants first.

          The implication that the government is spying on you is pure paranoia, what has been collected is information showing which phone or IP address contacted which other phone or IP address. Is it and over reaction? Probably! It is not, however illegal under current law. Do I like it? Not especially but I am not an Alex Jones follower and i KNOW that my government is not coming after me nor am I terrified of the “tyranny” the government “wants” to impose. I have confidence in the people of this country, they will never let the Teapub extremists gain enough power to install their vision for the nation, THAT is where the plans for tyranny are on the far right not the left.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.w.gray2 Michael W. Gray

    This article is very good example of false equivalency. The leak Snowden reacted to in 2009 involved not just our own national security interests, but those of an ally nation. Whether you agree with what was being done then or not, it is a world different than a dragnet on the American people through a rubber stamp court with the eager assistance of multinational corporations. The obviousness of this contrast could easily lead a reader to question the objectivity of this piece, to put it charitably.

    • Bob Cull

      So you question the writers objectivity, Michael? I question your intelligence and ability to keep abreast of current affairs, if you needed this criminal to tell you what the entire country has been aware of for more than a decade!

      • intro

        There’s a difference between intelligent people suspecting that this kind of thing is going on, and someone going to the press with a smoking gun and saying “Here’s your cold hard evidence that this is happening.”

        Yes, anyone with a reasonable amount of experience in software development or networking probably suspected this kind of thing was going on. But we didn’t know for sure. Now we do, and it’s BS.

        However, now that I’ve written two replies to you, I’ve noticed some of your other replies, and come to the conclusion that your are troll. So I’m done feeding you.

        • Bob Cull

          Paranoia is a nasty thing, Intro. If I was so inclined I would be much more justified in suspecting you since you have a need to hide your identity. I have never been ashamed to post under my own true identity on any forum. What I have noticed everywhere I go, is that those who accuse others of being “trolls” invariably use false names and visages.

  • J

    Attack a nuclear Iranian site…your government is spying on you.

    I not sure that these are really comparable, even in the scheme of “leaking”.

    Imminent danger vs prolonged danger

    • Bob Cull

      That is flawed logic, J! You are asserting that the government is spying on you as if it was a fact, when it is not. What Snowden has “exposed” so far, is that they are collecting data from telecom companies, data that belongs to them not you, and shows only which number calls which other number and how long the call lasts. How is that “spying” on you and why is it only now that you are upset by it when anyone who has been paying attention has known for over a decade that this has been going on?

      More important is the fact that we don’t know what other information Snowden is in possession of, even he says that he is unsure of what he has because he downloaded so much information that he hasn’t had time to look at all of it. What if he sells something that is potentially dangerous to agents we have in the field, or shows weaknesses in our defenses?

      I’m sorry, you can try until hell freezes over and you will not find an acceptable defense or this traitor.

  • Twitch62

    Where were the terrorists who flew jetliners into the twin towers living before they preform such an atrocity? Where was McVey living before he blew up the federal building in Oklahoma? Where were the people living before they blew up explosives in Boston? That’s right ladies and gentlemen- In the United States. So you don’t want the government protecting you from terrorists that freely come to this country and walk among us? What? Are you crazy? My life is not important enough for the government to care. If your not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about…do you?

    • Brian

      You are 8 times more likely to be murdered by a cop in this country than by a terrorist. Stfu you know nothing of what you speak. You want to give up our rights to protect us from terrorist, but militarize the very people that are actually a threat? Moron

      • Bob Cull

        We can clearly see that you know all about being a moron, Brian, unfortunately for you a moron, by definition, is not smart enough to identify another moron when he sees him.

        • Evan

          Bob, you seem to think you’ve got it all figured out.You do not know if he was trying to save his country AND get rich, versus simply trying to get rich. A lot of hero’s subsequently make big bucks appearing on Oprah and other talk shows. The SEALs that sent Osama bin Laden to his imagined virgin paradise wrote some best selling books, as Edward Snowden will likely write (either from Ecuador or a Federal “country club prison”). Snowden’s dad gives a pretty convincing argument his son is not a traitor. For all we know he isn’t — perhaps his biggest sin is being a gullible 29 year old “hacker” as Obama called him, perhaps imaging he is James Bond trying to save the world and get wealth and ladies as his reward. The proverbial jury’s still out on Snowden. Why not wait until all is said and done before coming to a definitive conclusion and placing him before a firing squad as a bonafide traitor?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rob.canny Rob Canny

    I think people wanted him to be his hero and they’re finding out he’s a very flawed person like most of us.

    But it doesn’t change certain facts. He’s a right wing libertarian. He’s hiding out in corporo-fascist authoritarian dictatorships that silence free press and transparency. He hasn’t revealed anything we didn’t already know about this shitty, Orwellian Newspeak, republican law, “The Patriot Act”, that we didn’t know from day one.

    Finally the really big issue/question left completely unaddressed is:Through these bullshit secret courts, the government is subpoenaing information Google, Facebook, AT&T, Verizon, et. al., has already been collecting, gathering and selling to their corporate pals on us for years.

    Who are you more worried about? The government or nameless, faceless unelected entities at international mega corporations collecting vast amounts of personal data on you to use as they see fit?

    Think long and hard about it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bill.bucolo.7 Bill Bucolo

    Is it unthinkable that 3 years after the “balls” comment in ArsTechnica Snowden may have changed his mind about leaking… or even that he may have planted that comment to favorably define himself to his employers?

  • http://www.facebook.com/stevemiller58 Steve Miller

    AATP lays an egg. No “equivalency” here. It’s just misdirection; presumably to protect your guy (Obama) from a much-deserved shellacking over an incredibly intrusive program which collects each and every electronically transmitted communication in the USA…..in direct contravention to the Constitution. When Bush did it we all screamed. Whay are you not screaming now? When will you wake up to the nightmare that is the Obama Presidency? You can’t even challenge this program in court…it’s *secret*!!

    I have probably shared more AATP posts on FB than most people over the years, and am a committed Progressive with socialist leanings. Yet I am banned from the AATP FB page for (quite reasonably) expressing concerns for our Civil Rights under President “Transparency” (for whom I voted in ’08….fooled me once!).

    Why the “side-show” antics about what Snowden said in ’09? He’s not elected by us . Maybe we should be focusing on the guy who promised us transparency, yet is burying us in indefinite detention, warrantless surveillance, the promise of more wars and bombing, quashing Occupy, marijuana prosecutions….ad nauseum.

    • http://phobizone.blogspot.com david nova

      when bush did it, NSA didn’t get warrants. now they do. some 19th C prez said best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it. why? b/c, tho RW will scream at anything other party does, enforcing bad law arouses left too, so this gets both pissed. flaw is in the law.

    • Bob Cull

      “…to protect your guy (Obama) from a much-deserved shellacking over an incredibly intrusive program which collects each and every electronically transmitted communication in the USA…..in direct contravention to the Constitution.” That is an untrue statement on more than one level.

      To begin with, the NSA has not been collecting electronically transmitted communications, they have been collecting the meta data, where it originated and where it went and if it is a phone call, how long it lasted. That is hardly collecting your communications, that data doesn’t even belong to you it belongs to your service provider.

      In regard to the legality you are also wrong. I agree that the Patriot Act is bad law and someone should have challenged it in the Courts long ago, but no one has and it stands as law. The NSA (not the President, who does not micromanage everything, including the NSA) obtained the proper warrants under the law to collect this data. Acting under the law, even a bad law which should be declared unconstitutional, but has not is not yet a Constitutional violation.

  • http://dopplegangsta.bandcamp.com Faulteroy

    You spelled “worshipped” wrong, you dumb porn*. Go back to gradeschool.

    • AATTP

      No we didn’t, idiot. Also, “grade school” is two words.

      • Rashad

        Lol this ^

    • Bob Cull

      What a brilliant display of intelligence and education! Hey look everyone, Faulteroy can spell worshipped [sic]! (proper spelling worshiped, just as in the article.)

      • http://phobizone.blogspot.com david nova

        actually they’re both right, so why is it even an issue?

        wor·ship Verb /ˈwərSHəp/

        worshipped past participle; worshiped past tense; worships 3rd person singular present; worshiped past participle; worshipping present participle; worshipped past tense; worshiping present participle

  • muddyduc

    There is a HUGE difference between spying on a foreign country and spying on your own people.

    • Bob Cull

      You are not being spied on, you are less likely to look like a fool if you know what you’re talking about before you spout off.

    • http://phobizone.blogspot.com david nova

      funny, 4th amendment makes no such distinction. it doesn’t mention either location or citizenship. implication: all ppl have same right ‘to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures….’

      • Bob Cull

        Nothing of yours has been searched or seized, David. What has been collected are records which belong to the telecom companies and they were obtained under a lawful warrant.

        Now if you want to get upset about the law that is a different story. The Patriot Act is a terrible law and should be changed, but it is the law and probably the only reason it still stands is that no one with standing to do so has challenged it and until it is challenged and struck down there is nothing illegal about enforcing it.

        Oh, and by the way, Sonwden is a criminal not a hero, he falls especially short of heroism when you consider the fact that he told nothing that everyone who has been paying attention has known for over a decade.

        • http://phobizone.blogspot.com david nova

          u missed my point, bob. i agree about searches — tho i haven’t made up my mind about snowden. he may be a mole or a double agent.

  • http://www.facebook.com/oicurtis Curtis R. Martin

    So, someone with AATTP (who can’t be bothered to sign a byline) is upset that a person’s opinions appear to have changed between 2009 and 2013. Thinking people change their opinions over time based on education and experience. Radicals refuse to be swayed by new evidence. This group *should* be better than that. Shame on the anonymous coward who posted this article.

  • Codi

    I see a different situation here. I’d be pretty pissed about a report going public that the US is trying to dismantle Iran’s weapons. Iran may suspect us to be trouble for them (as they may be for us) and as such, having something in public domain could give Iran the heads up as to what we’re up to, possibly inciting another terrorist attack on US soil.

    His own leak exposed something that could be a threat like the aforementioned attack. It wasn’t exposing our secrets to other countries, but exposing it to us.

    • http://www.facebook.com/elliott.carter Elliott Carter

      My thoughts exactly.

    • Bob Cull

      How do you know what he has or what he’s going to release and to who? He said just the other day that HE doesn’t even know for sure what he has, he just downloaded all kinds of information and hasn’t even looked at all of it himself! He was not entitled to see the information that he took, he did not have that clearance. He took the job at Booz Allen Hamilton in order to infiltrate the NSA, in other words this was premeditated. he is a traitor and a common garden variety hacker, who stole from an agency whose purpose is to protect us. I cannot believe you people who want to insist that he is a hero…HE’S NOT!

      • http://www.facebook.com/elliott.carter Elliott Carter

        From most of the posts I’ve read most people aren’t saying he’s a “hero” so maybe you should relax on the generalizing again. You keep referring to him as a hacker too, can you elaborate on that? Its funny because most of you are missing the point of his leak, he stated that he wanted the public to be aware of these programs to spark a debate on them. Yet, most of you are more interested in his past and slandering the guy. Im not saying hes a traitor, Im not saying he’s a hero, I’m saying this article is pretty flat out dumb for being so illogical has to believe no one ever changes their mind, especially once they come into more information about something or over a span of several years. But I guess all of you believe in the same religion you were brought up in, the same views on terror now as before 9/11, etc. Spend more time discussing the nature of these programs and less digging for dirt on the guy. Even if he turns out to be a loser that did it for money (speculating) then what, everyone is still cool with these programs because the guy that leaked him was a tool?
        Psh.

        • Bob Cull

          I guess someone who didn’t know about what has been going on for more than a decade until this traitor “made it public” probably wouldn’t be aware that you can’t go to any internet forum and find people calling him a hero.

          He revealed, to us at least, nothing that hasn’t been common knowledge since the Patriot Act was passed. The one thing that has changed since the Bush days is that now the NSA is actually getting warrants unlike the good old days when Bush and Cheney told them that they didn’t need any warrants.

          He has admitted only a few days ago that he doesn’t even know what he has because he downloaded so much before he went on the lam that he has not had a chance to really look at it to see what he has. If all he wanted to do was make us aware of something that all of us who keep informed have known for years, then why didn’t he take that information and nothing else?

          It is not speculation to call him a hacker since that is what he is by his own admission. He says that he accessed and downloaded those files and since his bosses at Booz Allen and the NSA have said that he did not have authorization to access those files, ergo, he is a hacker. He used his position at the NSA to get the opportunity to hack in and steal those files.

          He also knew that he was not revealing anything that most did not already know, HE KNEW ABOUT IT , that was why he says he sought to work for Booz Allen, he was planning to infiltrate the NSA and do exactly what he did. What we should all be demanding is to know how damaging the rest of the material he stole and is currently in possession of may potentially be.

          • http://www.facebook.com/elliott.carter Elliott Carter

            Gosh, Bob, your internet rants are always so full of speculation. “I cannot believe you people who want to insist that he is a hero”, you said this on THIS forum not the other forums on the internet, in a direct conversation about him. And I still haven’t read any posts in THIS forum, you know, the one right in front of your eyes at this moment, call him a hero. Perhaps I’m overlooking something, it’s definitely possible to over look stuff, you’re a prime example of that. If you’re GIVEN access to the information as part of your job than you’re not hacking ergo you’re not a hacker. Brush up on that concept. You saying it was common knowledge lol you can keep saying that until the internet explodes, it’s not going to make it true. The prism program was NOT common knowledge, the collection of phone records from Verizon was NOT common knowledge. You’ve gotten yourself into this ironic little dilemma in which you keep saying that “He revealed, to us at least, nothing that hasn’t been common knowledge since the Patriot Act was passed.” THEN saying that he’s a traitor for doing so and revealing Government secrets. Get your story straight. Bob. You can’t be a traitor for revealing common knowledge. And remember, you’re on THIS forum, not another at the moment.

          • Bob Cull

            As always Elliott, you are ignoring what I have said that is inconvenient for you to acknowledge and distort other remarks of mine. Where I remarked that I cannot believe people are proclaiming him a hero, which he is definitely not, I was responding to Codi’s defense of him which came very close to doing just that, though not in so many words.

            You go on to basically call me a liar by saying that he did not hack that information, and that he was “given access” to it. I clearly stated the FACTS (those damn things are always getting in the way aren’t they) directly above your post. He was not authorized to access any o the information that he has released so far and no one knows what else he has stolen. He has admitted that he isn’t sure what else he has and that there is so much that it will take him a long time to go through it all.

            But, hey, by all means, Elliott, you go ahead and continue to make personal attacks on me, I’m used to it, you aren’t the only one who doesn’t like to be confronted with facts which do not support what you wish to be true.

          • http://www.facebook.com/elliott.carter Elliott Carter

            And since we’re talking about hackers, what’s your response to his statements that the NRA hacked the Chinese University of Hong Kong, public officials and students?

          • Elliott Carter

            Me – “From most of the posts I’ve read most people aren’t saying he’s a “hero” so maybe you should relax on the generalizing again” in reference to the posts on this page

            Bob- “I guess someone who didn’t know about what has been going on for more than a decade until this traitor “made it public” probably wouldn’t be aware that you can’t go to any internet forum and find people calling him a hero.

            Then Bob said – “Where I remarked that I cannot believe people are proclaiming him a hero, which he is definitely not, I was responding to Codi’s defense of him which came very close to doing just that, though not in so many words.”

            Get your story straight. Also, you have not stated ANY facts. As always, you state that you a man of facts and blah blah, facts, blah, but present not one fact, just pure opinion and rant. I do enjoy calling you out on it as well. Where are these “facts” that the information he received was from hacking (gaining unauthorized access)? And not accessing information that he had access to but potentially abused the amount of access he had to information. Empty handed much, Bob? Bring out those facts and back them out otherwise just keep that word out of your mouth until you learn what it means. Oh, by the way, NOTHING in Codi’s post sound remotely similar to calling the man a “hero”. You just openly admitted that you took his words and twisted into another concept that YOU thought resembled a statement of heroism. How dare you even bring up the word “fact” after such an admission.

            Codi’s post – “I see a different situation here. I’d be pretty pissed about a report going public that the US is trying to dismantle Iran’s weapons. Iran may suspect us to be trouble for them (as they may be for us) and as such, having something in public domain could give Iran the heads up as to what we’re up to, possibly inciting another terrorist attack on US soil.

            His own leak exposed something that could be a threat like the aforementioned attack. It wasn’t exposing our secrets to other countries, but exposing it to us.”

            Bob – ” I was responding to Codi’s defense of him which came very close to doing just that, though not in so many words.”

            Twist those statements as much as you can, Bob.
            Releasing information that you’re authorized to access isn’t hacking when you release it in an unauthorized fashion to unauthorized persons. Hacking would be gaining unauthorized access in the first place which contrary to what you keep stating as a fact you have yet to prove (still waiting). I see you’re struggling with that concept. I hope you brush on up it as well.

          • Bob Cull

            Once more, and yes, I didn’t take the time to type it yet again I’ve done it enough (every time that you repeat the LIE that I have presented no facts):
            You go on to basically call me a liar by saying that he did not hack that information, and that he was “given access” to it. I clearly stated the FACTS (those damn things are always getting in the way aren’t they) directly above your post. He was not authorized to access any o the information that he has released so far and no one knows what else he has stolen. He has admitted that he isn’t sure what else he has and that there is so much that it will take him a long time to go through it all.

            That is a FACT, the real kind not the kind of INVENTED “facts” that you get from Faux News, Drudge, Breitbart, Infowars, the Blaze, or what have you.

          • Elliott Carter

            Bob – “You are ignoring what I have said that is inconvenient for you to acknowledge and distort other remarks of mine.”

            Then proceeds to do just that with Codi’s remarks,

            “I was responding to Codi’s defense of him which came very close to doing just that, though not in so many words.”

            hahahaha!!!

          • Bob Cull

            I distorted NOTHING! You are delusional!

          • Elliott Carter

            And once again you FAIL to prove theyre facts. You simply just saying they’re facts doesnt make them facts, Bob. I think that’s where you keep messing up.

            Bob – I only state the facts, I only state the facts, I only state the facts.

            Me- Prove your statements are facts

            Then Bob again – I only state the facts, I only take the facts, I only state the facts.

            For the 100th time, PROVE your statements are facts. I guess you’re one of these people that think YOUR statements are facts be default. Delusional much there, Bob? You still have proven nothing, you just keep repeating yourself and am not backing up you claims in any way. shape, or form. I guess you still haven’t learned the meaning of fact yet, huh?
            You’re making a running joke.

          • Elliott Carter

            “That is a FACT, the real kind not the kind of INVENTED “facts” that you get from Faux News, Drudge, Breitbart, Infowars, the Blaze, or what have you.”

            That’s an awesome rant there, the problem is I’ve never been to any of those sites. but clearly you have. Some people don’t spend there whole day on the internet looking for things to rant about, Bob. SOME of us don’t. You’re just making yourself look silly now.

    • Dragontech64

      ” It wasn’t exposing our secrets to other countries, but exposing it to us.”

      Right, because foreign powers can’t read our papers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tre.giles Tre Giles

      Though the NSA metadata dragnet is a non-issue, such a “he exposed it to us, not to the enemy” sentiment could be perceived as valid for the PRISM program.

      However, he’s not being labeled a traitor for his revelations in respect to PRISM. It’s because he’s in another nation right now, “potentially divulging NSA/CIA secrets,” that he was charged with espionage. If I were Putin, I wouldn’t extradite him either. What a goldmine of information on US intelligence operations.

      That’ll teach the US to give low-level employees access to everything. I hope heads roll over it.

      • Bob Cull

        He was not authorized to access the information he stole, Giles. He merely used his heightened access to hack into files that he was not entitled to access. He is nothing more than a garden variety hacker stealing from his country and selling to the highest bidder.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elliott.carter Elliott Carter

    Because how dare someone’s views change with time.

  • jason tanzman

    Actions speak louder than words…his actions have made him an exile, facing significant jail time, and constitute real sacrifice (and he had a cushy high-paying job before giving it up). I don’t know the man, but people evolve – I sure hope that people never look to closely at all the words I said 5 years ago…I’m sure there’s plenty of hypocrisy you could dig up on me.

    • Ellen d

      I agree. If anything, God put him in this situation so he could accept the circumstances as a sacrifice to teach him what it means to really choose morals over country.

      • J

        OH DID GOD DO THAT? SORRY, MISSED THE MEMO. THANK YOU GOD LORD AND SAVIOR?

    • Bob Cull

      He was a new hire at Booz Allen Hamilton, and would have taken the job if they only offered him minimum wage. He has admitted that he only took the job to INFILTRATE the NSA. He is a traitor and criminal, NOT a hero. By the way my opinion would be the same no matter who was President.

    • http://twitter.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr (@Jkirk3279)

      He lied his way into that “cushy, high paying job”… he had to know he’d be exposed eventually. The people that lie their way through life live high for a little while, and then they end up in prison like Bernie Madoff.

      So he didn’t sacrifice that much. I’m going with the “lied his way into the job so he could pull a wikileaks and get famous” explanation.

  • ProfW65

    Regardless of one’s opinion of Snowden’s actions or comments then or now, this story is an example of egregious false equivalency. The two situations are *not* comparable.

  • Rogue Scholar

    Have you considered that he constructed an elaborate persona in order to attain security clearance? It’s possible he was just sticking to the script: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1268209/snowden-sought-booz-allen-job-gather-evidence-nsa-surveillance

  • http://twitter.com/tplayofficial tplay official (@tplayofficial)

    You think its hypocritical for someone to go public with his name and face while criticizing ANONYMOUS sources?

  • Guard

    lol, decoying like a boss

  • Bob Cull

    I said from day one that he was looking for a payday and that there was absolutely no altruism involved in his actions! I rest my case!

    • http://www.facebook.com/elliott.carter Elliott Carter

      No case there but speculation. It’s resting on nothing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/johnathan.curl Johnathan Curl

    SO there’s no room for someone to spend a few years in the belly of the beast and then change his mind?

  • http://www.thesecularnerd.com Richard Seese

    You understand that he HAS to say these things in a public medium. Why? Because working for the government means you are monitored as well.

    • AATTP

      His response seemed pretty impassioned for someone doing it just for show.

      • [email protected]

        your preconceptions shine true AATTP

        • AATTP

          Only time will tell, scorzito.

      • Vexed7

        I don’t think he said those things for show either. However, I’d like to think that he evolved in his thinking and how he views the world. I’d like to point out that he said this in reference to leakers who were giving information about possible international actions and maybe his change of heart has to do with the fact that he sees his government turning their tools on their own people. Maybe enough time has elapsed that he sees just how dangerous the government really is?

        • http://phobizone.blogspot.com david nova

          nobody HAS to say ANYTHING in a public medium, n anybody can change his mind, but there’s another possibility: ever read ‘the spy who came in from the cold’?

        • http://www.facebook.com/tre.giles Tre Giles

          And while you rail against the government, you fail to realize that the corporations (Google, Facebook, et al.) know more about you than any government ever will. The NSA *wishes* it had as much information on you as Facebook and Google do currently—information they are peddling to the highest bidders, might I add.

          I wonder what secret FISA courts oversee their shadowy actions? None? Ah, that’s right. `Murica.

  • hermes93

    Yeah, so he evolved in his thinking, good for him. I wish more people would.

  • liam

    No one has ever changed their views on a subject, any change in ones political views is hypocrisy.

    • http://gravatar.com/jleitman jleitman

      haha very well played my friend

    • http://phobizone.blogspot.com david nova

      is that sarcasm or something? if u right that no one ever changes views, then all beliefs n opinions are hardwired, n we may as well give up trying to persuade anyone about anything….

  • http://gravatar.com/elfangel elfangel

    I’m sure he’d find justifications such as what he divulged wasn’t military, he didn’t take an oath like one does when entering the military etc ad nauseum. I don’t much care his excuses, the truth of what guided him is coming out and he will pay the price in public opinion which can be worse than the legal system (ask O.J.) He exposed some of our government’s violations against our rights, information we, as citizen do need to know to make intelligent decisions on who to trust to lead us and create the kind of world we live in.

    It is looking like Snowden is aiming for another “Reality” TV celebrity status. If that is the case let the little shit fade away somewhere out there away from the life he built.

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