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Let ‘Em Die: TEApublican Quotes Bible To Justify Letting Poor Starve To Death

In a disgusting display, even by TEApublican standards, Stephen Fincher (R-TN) quoted the “Book of Thessalonians” to justify letting the poor starve.  Fincher smugly stated on the House floor:

The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.

Of course, it’s a well-known attribute of conservatives to see things in black and white while often missing more nuanced aspects of real life.  In Fincher’s warped mind, people that need help are just lazy moochers who should simply pull themselves up by their bootstraps, even though, as most liberals know, many of these people don’t even have boots–or functioning  feet in the context of this analogy–for that matter.

We have three points to make to Mr. Fincher and anyone else who buys into this absurd and disturbing way of thinking.

1. Most people on SNAP are not “unwilling” to work.   Food insecurity is a real problem in America, but indolence is not to blame.  From a Center on Policy and Budget Priorities (cbpp.org) piece titled, Contrary to “Entitlement Society” Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Household:

Some conservative critics of federal social programs, including leading presidential candidates, are sounding an alarm that the United States is rapidly becoming an “entitlement society” in which social programs are undermining the work ethic and creating a large class of Americans who prefer to depend on government benefits rather than work.  A new CBPP analysis of budget and Census data, however, shows that more than 90 percent of the benefit dollars that entitlement and other mandatory programs spend go to assist people who are elderly, seriously disabled, or members of working households — not to able-bodied, working-age Americans who choose not to work.  This figure has changed little in the past few years.

Entitelment Society Lie

Conservatives have also proven to be shameless lying hypocrites in many cases.  Take Mark Sanford, who just won a congressional seat in South Carolina, for example.  After much finger-wagging, Mr. Sanford voted to impeach President Clinton over the Lewinsky sex scandal, yet asked for forgiveness–without any sense of irony–after being caught romping with his mistress in South America on the tax payer’s dime.  It would seem Rep. Fincher also fits this mold.

2. Hypocrite Fincher took millions in farm subsidies. From AlterNet:

The reason this is even more egregious than the usual Republican class warfare is that Fincher himself is a poster boy for government dependency. It’s not just that he’s benefited here and there from some government help. That sort of low-level hypocrisy is almost to be expected from these types. But Fincher has received millions -  $3.2 million as of June 2010 – in federal crop subsidies. The people who refer to themselves as  Tea Partiers threatened to derail his candidacy over this, but then they realized that they have no principles, and supported him anyway. He’s now a member of the “Tea Party Caucus,” which, amazingly, is something that actually exists. Fincher’s brother and father also snatched another $6.7 million in subsidies as Stephen geared up to run for Congress on a platform of eliminating “wasteful government spending.” The “wasteful spending” that he had in mind, of course, was that which serves policy aims with which he disagrees, such as keeping poor people alive.

And, finally, let’s examine the TEApublican’s penchant for cherry-picking documents to suit their agendas.  Whether it be the Constitution or the Holy Bible, these folks love to take what fits into their preconceived narrative and leave the rest behind.  Fincher is clearly no exception.

3. The Bible also says:

Psa. 82:3  Give fair judgment to the poor man, the afflicted, the fatherless, the destitute.

Prov. 14:31  Anyone who oppresses the poor is insulting God who made them. To help the poor is to honor God.

Prov28:27  If you give to the poor, your needs will be supplied! But a curse upon those who close their eyes to poverty.

Prov22:9  Happy is the generous man, the one who feeds the poor.

Isa. 58:7  I want you to share your food with the hungry and bring right into your own homes those who are helpless, poor, and destitute. Clothe those who are cold, and don’t hide from relatives who need your help.  Isa. 58:8 If you do these things, God will shed his own glorious light upon you. He will heal you; your godliness will lead you forward, goodness will be a shield before you, and the glory of the Lord will protect you from behind.  Isa. 58:9  Then, when you call, the Lord will answer. ‘Yes, I am here,’ he will quickly reply.  All you need to do is to stop oppressing the weak and stop making false accusations and spreading vicious rumors! Isa. 58:10  Feed the hungry! Help those in trouble! Then your light will shine out from the darkness, and the darkness around you shall be as bright as day.

Doesn’t exactly sound ambiguous, now does it?   False accusations and vicious rumors, Mr. Fincher–THAT is was you’re spreading, as it’s obvious that your assertions quickly dissolve when bathed in the light of facts.   It’s not children, elderly, disabled and working poor Americans who get food assistance that should be ashamed of themselves; it’s you and the rest of your factually-bankrupt, judgmental TEApublican ilk who should.

Bible quotes sources: 

http://www.friendships.org/Scriptures.html

http://www.worldvision.org/content.nsf/learn/g8-bibleverses

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  • Jade Kauffman

    Greg: Note the difference between us. I disagree with you. You call me a liar. You need help. So I suggest this. Why don’t you just quit commenting on my posts since all you can do is fling invective at me and try to bully me into accepting everything you say as universal truths. You have yours and I have mine. I don’t require that you agree with me, nor do I call you a liar. So get off my back, Greg.

    • https://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

      No, Jade, you don’t get to tell me who and what I can comment on. You are very much projecting your own biases onto me by insisting on continuing to spread the lie of the “violent Christian” then circularly argue that when a Christian (namely me) is offended by your lie and calls you on it that it proves you point.

      I didn’t “get on your back” Jade. YOU got on MINE and EVERY OTHER Christian’s by making your false accusations about our faith then refusing to accept it when you were called out and corrected on the matter.

  • Jade Kauffman

    I am an atheist. The Bible has nothing to do with my existence and so I look on curiously as those in government make it their handbook. There are laws in this country prohibiting the joining of church and state. It puzzles me that citizens therefore allow that joinder in their elected officials. Why don’t you get up a petition or hire attorneys to file a class action suit? Because you don’t want a separation between church and state. When the quotes from your Bible please you, you are flushed with the knowledge that your elected representatives agree with you. When their quotes offend you, you trumpet the law regarding separation between church and state. As I said, I am puzzled.

    I am also one of those people on a great many benefits because I am disabled and I will not ever get better; my disability is both progressive and relentless. I depend more and more upon the assistance my state and the federal government provide me. I don’t feel badly about that. I worked from 17 to 54 and I was making serious money the last ten years or so, and that made my SSD payment higher than normal. It did not disqualify me from the programs I’m on, though.

    What I want to say to the Bible thumpers who think I should get up off my anatomy and get to work is this: I would love to. I would give anything to get up in the morning, shower, dress, grab my portable breakfast and my lunch, and jump in the car and drive to work, where I will be relied upon to do certain things and where I will be challenged to do things I have never done before. I would love the satisfaction of being fairly compensated for my work. I would give anything. But I can’t live that life anymore. And that’s not my fault, and it was not my intent. I was diagnosed with MS in 1997 with symptoms dating back to 1987. I forged onward, determined not to be a multiple sclerosis whiner who wanted SSD just because she was diagnosed. From 1973 to 2008, I worked without missing a day and without a single negative remark in my files That I can no longer do that does not make me lazy. It makes me angry.

  • https://www.facebook.com/david.lloydjones3 David Lloyd-Jones

    It’s good that the Tea Party are getting this quote from Thessalonians into circulation, because the point it is making is as relevant today as it was when Paul wrote it in the first place.

    The reason people were not working at that time is that they expected Jesus to come back any day, so they could just sit on their butts and everything would be copacetic. The Apostle’s point was the very practical one: the Savior may return today. Then again He may. not.

    You sure as shootin’ better not take Him for granted. Get your ass in gear or you’re maybe gonna starve to death.

    Today, 1980 years or so later, we have dimbulbs from Evangelical churches, or maybe from half-wit money-making scams, out there saying we don’t have to worry about global warming, or hormones in the food, or looking after the poor, or any damn thing at all, because the Rapture is at hand! We’re all gonna fly away to heaven, tomorrow morning if not this afternoon, so relax and be happy in your salvation.

    Wey-yull, hold on just a fershlugginer minute. I’m not going to tell them they’re wrong. I can’t foretell the future.

    I’m certainly not going to tell anyone that their Savior isn’t going to step off the Yonge Subway and wave to everybody at 3:17 this very afternoon. We could all be playing harps on clouds by 6:00 p.m. EST today. October 5, 2013, year of their Lord.

    But as a gambling man, I’m not going to bet on it.

    And my sincere advice, speaking as one who wins more at gambling than he loses, is that they would be well advised to go to work, keep on earning and saving, pay some attention to global warming, and so on and so forth. When their Savior arrives, there might even be a nicer harp for the people who have voted to feed the poor.

    Remember you heard it here second. You hear it first in Thessalonians.

    -dlj.

  • https://www.facebook.com/ryan.j.arroyo Ryan James Arroyo

    I find it strange that the bible quotes at the end are held up as some sort of counter-example to the initial quote in question. Social programs such as those Tea Partiers fight against are most decisively NOT charitable–rather, they rely on funding taken on threat of force from other people. Taking someone else’s money and giving it to the poor is not something to feel morally high about.

    • Gordon Hilgers

      Apparently, you don’t want to pay taxes because the government mandates you pay taxes. I’ve heard this type of whining and yammering before, and some even claim the government is holding a gun to their heads to force us to pay taxes. Actually, what you have is an attitude problem: Because of the “free rider” problem, the government has to mandate taxation to fund all the wonderful things the government has done. You, on the other hand, use some histrionic excuse because you don’t want to pay taxes.

      North Korea doesn’t levy taxes. You should move there.

    • http://na Awake Soul

      The Tea(ME) party wants “entitlements” that favor the upper !%. They have a lot of racist bigots within the ranks who quote the Bible in bizarre manner. The Bible quotes are coming from people who are showing the “let them eat cake” attitude does not reflect Judeao/Christian teachings taken from the life of Christ and Jewish (old test) teachings. Therefore there is no Biblical support for their political agenda.

  • rrjgeni

    I think we should agree to stop referring to Christian Values. The Christians have never cornered the market on Values. I think we should call them Human or Humane Values. That would cover the part of humanity of all races, creeds, colors and sexual preference who hold that helping your fellow man is a good thing. It really is time to stop using Christian Values as the gold standard of values. As we have witnessed in the current times the word Christian has been overused and abused until it means nothing. Unless of course you consider the bad press it has received by the TeaPub Anti Christian Party.

    • http://na Awake Soul

      Great point and one that I agree with. Native Americans, Buddhists,Jews, Muslims and many others have the same ideas.Christians did not invent love of family. And there are many false cults that have re-written the Bible or put “fresh outpourings” (interpretations) that contradict and politicize the Bible in a way totally at odds with the life and example of Christ. Many of these cultists have,in fact, infiltrated the Tea Party. Christ does not know them tho they use his name and spout made up ideas.

  • carol booher

    the bible says its easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man go to heaven and these rich crooked politicians are getting rich working for rich man all in the name of Christianity

  • https://www.facebook.com/michael.a.harring Michael A Harring

    Did not Jesus say “What you do for the least of my brethren,you do for me”?

    • Carrie

      You are absolutely right! You get five stars!

  • david saint

    lol if they want to play that game, then id like to remind the GOP of the MANY verses in the Bible referring to “treating the “alien” like your brother, for you were once foreigners in Egypt as well”..which is fitting with how our country was founded. Of course, they like to pick and choose which Bible verses to use, and ignore the ones that doesnt suit them

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  • Mary

    I completely support the separation of church and state. However, if the Teabaggers/Republicans wish to quote a single sentence in the Bible, it is indeed appropriate to point out the many others that say we must help those less fortunate. Jesus said that if a person has two coats and his neighbor has none, then give the neighbor one of yours (sounds a little Socialist, huh?). Whether one is a Christian or not, human decency says to help those in need.

  • https://www.facebook.com/gordon.hilgers Gordon Hilgers

    I’m getting pretty sick of reactionary ideologues using Christianity as a pretense to bully the poor. As for Fincher, he at least has a high school education, but never made it to college, something that indicates to me that he does not have a background in ethics or political science, and is hence a non-entity.

    The SNAP program is one of the most successful government social welfare programs, and if Fincher thinks it’s easy to get Food Stamps, he’s wrong. Not that facts like that matter to him.

    As for his quoting Thessalonians to find ground for his Grinchy attitude towards poor people, the plain truth of the matter is that Fincher himself isn’t really working, and I resent both his strawboss comments and having the government waste taxpayer money on Congresspeople who aren’t working.

    Fincher? Get a job!

    • Carrie

      Right on!

  • Steven Lowell McGinnis

    The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.Proverbs 29:7

    • Carrie

      You get 5 stars!

  • Carrie

    There is also a movement in the world for population control in the sickest manner possible – get rid of the poor and sick.

  • ChanPianoMan

    For the ultimate example of irony, according to Lenin, “He who does not work shall not eat” is a necessary principle under socialism.

    In accordance with Lenin’s understanding of the socialist state, article twelve of the 1936 Soviet Constitution states:

    “In the USSR work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.””

    So… let me get this straight. Fincher is basically agreeing with Leninist philosophy in regards to socialism? Republicans, take note. You have a traitor in your midst.

  • rrjgeni

    The Tea Party Cartoon Hour has extended itself way to long. They may worship something but it is not God or Jesus Christ. They would be a laughing stock if they weren’t so mean and vengeful. They go by the creed “If I can’t have it, no one can.” “If you don’t look like a duck, quack like a duck, you must not be in the Tea Party.” There are a lot of crazy T party quacks out there. It is too bad that most of the people that vote for them seem to be quackers too.

  • Lina

    So, let me get this straight: they don’t want abortions or birth control because they’re Christians and they’re against gay marriage for the same reason, but they don’t want to help the poor or provide education. What’s the name of their religion again?

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  • Greg

    Witness the current Pope (at least so long as he doesn’t “have an accident” or get shot). Refreshingly authentic Christian.

    • https://www.facebook.com/Seraphyna.Diamond Ally Labbe

      Are you kidding me!? He’s harboring a PEDOPHILE! And helping to cover-up other pedophilia crimes of the Catholic CULT. Let’s not forget what the Bible and Jesus says about those who harm children….

      • https://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price
      • http://gravatar.com/rosiewatrs rosiewatrsKerri

        Ally Catholicism is not a Cult (founded in 33 a.d.) and Pedophilia is not a Catholic crime, but a human one. When you live in a Protestant country like this one, obviously the Lutheran, Mormon, Baptist and other churches won’t get publicized when wrong-doing is discovered.

        Please, make no mistake- the rate is just as high in every church and every organization where corrupt adults have unfettered access to children who trust them.

        Across the board, the rate is 1% of the total population globally for priests, the same rate for ministers and pastors elsewhere. These are sources for religious, but in youth sports and other groups, the rate is just as high.

        LESSON FOR PARENTS: you have to mind your kids everywhere and at all times.

        Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy (Associated Press, June 16, 2007, New York Times)

        Southern Baptists acknowledge abuse among churches (Terry Mattingly: Leadership U., June 19, 2002)The clergy sexual abuse statistics were staggering.

        Black churches protect predators while neglecting victims (Marian Hubbard Jefferson), Louisiana Weekly, August 6, 2007

        Rabbis, Cantors & Other Trusted Officials (Jewish Coalition Against Sexual Abuse / Assault) [446 specific cases documented]

        Sex Abuse by Clerics – A Crisis of Many Faiths: While sexual misconduct has rocked many religions, leaders of some have acted far more quickly than others
        LA Times/March 25, 2003 (Teresa Watanabe)

        “Theme: Clergy Sexual Abuse”, The Lutheran – June 2002

  • TD

    that is ADDRESSING FELLOW BELIEVERS!
    Christ Said …MERCY!
    1 corinthians 5 vs 12
    “What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? ”

    Its all Hogwash! There seems to Be some Mean Ignorant Christian folk that are very Bored…

  • sam

    The thing all you haters are missing is Republicans donate about ten times more money to charity than democrats look it up.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kenalterwitz Ken Alterwitz

      Typical conservative response. Just because you print something doesn’t make it true.

    • johnmsawyer

      sam: The ratio is nowhere near that high. The highest I was able to find in an online search, and it’s not a reliable figure either, is that MAYBE conservatives (to use a more reliable label) might donate 30% more to charity. But the types of charities that both “groups” give to, is somewhat different and tends to cancel out this difference as far as the poor are concerned–though many conservatives who give to charity, do give to charities that use the donations to help poor people, fewer conservatives give to this type of charity than do liberals. More conservatives than liberals choose to confine their giving to organizations that, at best, help the working poor, rather than people who simply can’t work but who still need help.

      • progressivegrrrl

        you need to look at percentages of income given to charity. There may be more money given because they are richer, which means they HAVE to donate to get in a lower tax bracket.
        Welfare reform was done in the 90′s by Clinton. A single person cannot get welfare. And if you have children you must work, or look for work and prove it to them in order to receive a paltry 220 a month. (I know..my husband left me with a son to raise on my own even though I’m disabled). To pick on poor people, when it would be far easier to reduce the deficit by cutting the MILLIONS in farm subsidies given to ONE person who already has money. Lets start with this fool

        • Carrie

          Also, they are required to give 10% of their incomes to their churches. That’s a lot of money going for attacks on abortion, gay rights, etc.

    • Paul

      Sam,

      You missed the new talking points. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/07/09/2271841/wsj-homeless-people/?fb_comment_id=fbc_602670889766699_6387923_603152269718561#f2335fa66f9b528

      That charity thing? Yeah, that was just BS. Charities are for suckers and they only make more people want to go on welfare. Now go back to repeating our talking points for us like a good little teabagger.

    • TD

      what Ken said…

    • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

      In other words: they give money to the people THEY feel are worthy, rather than respecting the inherent dignity of ALL human beings.

    • http://gravatar.com/bacopox bacopox

      Of all the republicans I know, only ONE donates any money to charity… the rest are the sort of people who yell, “GET A JOB!” out their car windows at homeless people. I’m embarrassed to say that these people are my family. These family members don’t help anyone, least of all their own flesh and blood… you can forget about strangers.

      me, I’m poor and physically disabled. I broke my back at work a few years ago, and I’m on medicaid and food benefits. I’ve been denied SSDI, but I keep trying. Yesterday, I overheard the kids who play with my son mention that all they’d eaten in the last four days were peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I took my food stamp card up to the grocery store, and bought a bunch of produce and ground beef, and made a GIGANTIC pot of spaghetti, and I fed those poor kids. they’re coming back today for lunch. I can’t afford to donate money to charity, but I certainly can’t afford to sit back and watch other poor kids go hungry.

      • https://www.facebook.com/ruth.adamcik Ruth Anastacia Adamcik

        Bless you, Bacopox! It is often those of us who are in need (I’m on SS Disability myself) who give of their want in order to help others. Those children will never forget your kindness! As for your SSDI filing, please keep on trying. It took me two years and a good law firm in order for me to get my benefits. Even though Social Security saw fit to deny me 3 years of retroactive benefits (due to some seasonal work I attempted during that time), I am so very grateful that I am getting that benefit. Without it, I would not have been available to my dying father (who died 2 years ago) and my dying mother (who died a year ago). I was able, within the limits of my disabilities, to be of service to them and to my siblings. Bacopox, you are written well of in The Book of Life!

      • Janeane

        Thank you! It is the poorest people who will give the most! I have been in your shoes with4 children and fed homeless, drug addicted and latch key kids in my neighborhood. It was a great lesson for my children, who are now grown up. I hope your situation improves! God bless you!

        • http://na Awake Soul

          Having traveled once on a wing and a prayer, I agree it IS the poor that tend to give the most. Extreme wealth corrupts people. It gives them the false impression that their poop does not smell, but we all know that it does!Wise up people. Today you are full of ego, big job and a home, tomorow you could be struck down with a big illness, no job, then no home….It can happen to anyone.

  • Mark

    Amusing. All this talk about what the Bible says or doesn’t say or what people BELIEVE it says is 100% irrelevant.

    The simple reason why it’s 100% irrelevant is because our laws are not Bible-based. They are based on Constitutions. National ones and state one. The federal one takes precedence over all the others. It is very clear that the origin and nature of the US Constitution is secular.

    So, again. Anyone who invokes a tribal Jewish book of Bronze Age myths from the freakin’ MIDDLE EAST as the basis for their belief system in our secular 21st century America, while being a legislator, well, they’re telling us that they’re mentally ill and have no business being there.

    • Caleb Grunfeld

      Completely regardless of the irrelevancy of your post, Is the fact that what they are using from the Bible needs to include the verses before and after it. It’s out of context.

    • Alicia Woods

      As secular as our constitution might be, the point is that many people who follow the bible write our laws. No one is saying make our laws based on the bible, but they shouldbe putting into practice their beliefs in their everyday lives. The biggest commadment is to love everyone and to help everyone. They are not showing an ounce of love. They are greedy evil people. We were told not to force our beliefs on people because that is God’s job to pass judgement. We are not a Christian nation so we cannot act as such. We must act as a nation with hundreds of different religions and beliefs. The biggest thing is to point that they are hypocrits. Socialized medicine and education would put everyone on equal ground. If people are not worried about their basic needs they can focus on improving themselves. Our government is here to serve us and it is not doing so.

    • Michael J. Benardo

      Look, if you want to be an Atheist, that is your right. But quit slamming religion! You people want to be respected, yet you refuse to respect others. Exactly the kind of behavior you accuse the religious of. Seems to me to more of a human nature problem rather than a believer/non-believer problem. The bible is not myths.

      • Jade Kauffman

        Michael, goodness, you seem to have some anger to deal with there. I’m not aware that I’ve ever attacked a Christian. I don’t, as you say, respect Christianity since I think it’s based on fiction but at the same time, I don’t tell you to stop being a Christian. I don’t burst into your church and tell your leader to shut up. We are not the enemy. We just have different beliefs. You are comfortable thinking I’m wrong. I am comfortable thinking you’re wrong. Check your facts and don’t just spout in anger. It doesn’t help the credibility of your argument. We don’t slam. Christians do that. You know, from way back, violence has been the Christian way. It’s not our way. That’s another thing we don’t respect. Check your facts, Michael. Don’t just spout in anger. Be credible.

        • https://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

          Jade, please stop lying about Christians. It is historical fact that the early Christian church was in fact the MOST PERSECUTED religious sect ever until the conversion of the Roman Emperor. Christian monestary scriptoriums and libraries kept the bulk of scientific and artistic literature from the ancient world alive throughout the Dark Ages which would later go on to form the basis of the rise of Science and the Enlightenment.

          The so-called Crusades were in fact a DEFENSIVE response to the Muslim conquest of Southern Europe, a response which kept the light of relative freedom alive in Western Europe.

          Even today, Christianity is the world’s most persecuted faith, facing active oppression throughout the entire Muslim world and into Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

          Now NON-Christians, on the other hand, have killed well over 100 MILLION people in just the last 113 years. 20+ million dead at the hands of atheist Soviets under Stalin. 50+ MILLION dead at the hands of atheist Red China. 40+ MILLION dead babies at the hands of abortionists in defiance of God’s command “thou shalt not murder”.

          The world would absolutely be a better place with Christianity in control. And it WILL be one day, when even Satan will bend knee at the foot of Jesus and accept His authority before being consigned with ALL who refuse to believe to the Fire.

          • Jade Kauffman

            Greg, please read the Bible. The Old Testament strongly advises men to beat their wives and children. That’s violence. And Greg, I’m sure I’m not the first to suggest this, but you might benefit from some anger management counseling. You might learn to say things like, I don’t agree with you, or in my opinion, or I believe. Stop lying is rude and rudeness is akin to bullying and bullying is not OK. So get some help with that, Greg. You’re just stuffed full of anger. It makes me feel badly for you.

          • https://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

            Jade, the fact that you seem to comment more on my so-called “anger management issues” than any points I make only shows me that you know you’re lying when you dump on Christians as being overly violent.

            There is a world of difference between randomly beating someone for no reason and (for example) a parent applying corporal punishment to wayward children. Only in the last 60 years or so have so-called “modern” methods of child-rearing come into common practice and you can almost exactly map the decline in the behavior of our children as a result.

            Our worst child problems used to be talking out of turn, running in the halls as school, and the occasional fistfight.

            We took high behavioral expectations, strict discipline and high expectations out of schools and now our problems are drugs, pregnancy, and major acts of violence (typically gang related but not always).

            What else would you expect? It’s a direct result of your simplistic “violence = bad” worldview.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bonzai37 Steven’s Page

    Intelligent people don’t need the promise of heaven to see the merit of a good deed. I don’t know who to attribute that too.
    I think it’s high time religion was left out of politics.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Pat.Kemm.Mann Pat Kemm Mann

    Good people aren’t necessarily Christian and “Christians” aren’t necessarily good people. (note that I have it in quotation marks) Those who claim to be Christian, however, should read beyond the Old Testament to what Christ taught. (Christian = followers of Christ, right?) All are qualities that would make for a better society, such as charity, compassion, kindness and tolerance. I used to think that the Westboro Baptist “Church” was an anomaly but the same hateful, bigoted and self-righteous bile is spewed by the “Christian” Right. I undoubtedly have said nothing that hasn’t been already posted but even knowing that the faux Christians are going to say it, it never fails to astound me that they can believe what they say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/barber.jp Jeff Barber

    Anything in the bible can be taken out of context and the Teabaggers do it to the max.

  • George

    that is the tea party and the republicans and the libertarians and the right wing evangelicals , they not only give religion a bad name but they give the country a bad name , they are like a deadly virus and they need to be eradicated quickly ,with extreme prejudice

  • Helen Swan

    ‘Food insecurity’ is a catch phrase intended to make MSMs’ & politicians’ BS pablum slide down the sheeples’ throats more easily. When will we progressives stop insulting the HUNGRY by glossing over their reality with our own words?

  • Joe Hill

    Another reason I hate these political psychopaths and their fairy tale religious crap.

    But even more disgusting than the jackass making these incoherent statements are those dimwitted half-wits that vote them into office.

    I really wish their make-believe sky daddy would finally scoop these self-righteous sons of bitches up and ferry them off to their fairy-tale heaven that they endlessly drone on about and leave the earth to the sane.

    Hate doesn’t begin to describe the kind of contempt I have for these people.

    • Dave Brown

      Joe; Don’t fall prey to their hate, pity is all we can do beyond voting their kind out of our public life. Hate fuels the fire, we should turn from it, stay awake, do want we can when we can. Even moderate Republicans (I can’t think of any) need the boot.

      • Dottie Thompson

        You know, not all Christians are alike. I personally do not agree with the Tea Party philosophy. I am a Christian and do not believe in big business; but am very much for helping the poor, the disenfranchised. I believe in civil and equal rights for all, no matter their status or beliefs. There are self-righteous Christians, who really aren’t Christians in the true sense. Then there are Christians who care about all others, and know they are no better than anyone else. Please do not lump us together.

    • Christian Schmemann

      What the Teapublican heretics are totally oblivious to that when Jesus talks about “being taken away,” those who are ferried off are ferried off in judgment to a place full of fire and boiling blood- ferried to hell.

    • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

      Joe, if God did that (as He will some day), then by definition He isn’t a “fairy tale”.

      But that’s a side issue. Do you hold those Christians who follow Jesus’ teachings in Mark 10:25

      “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.”

      or Matthew 25: 35-45

      “For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

      Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

      Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

      When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

      Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

      And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

      Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

      For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

      I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

      Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

      Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.”

      or Acts 4:34-35

      ” Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

      And laid [them] down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.”

      On economic issues, AUTHENTIC Christians are the best allies the Left could have.

  • Steven

    This article needs to be edited. When I last looked, Isiah 58,59 are Old Testament, not New Testament as alluded to. The article has no New Testament citations at all, let alone the many that teach compassion toward the poor, widowed, elderly or those that teach peace making i.e.Matt 5-6, Matt 25:30-40.

  • Majosea

    Mat. 25:34 “Then I, the King, shall say to those at my right, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, into the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. Mat. 25:35 For I was hungry and you fed me; I was thirsty and you gave me water; I was a stranger and you invited me into your homes; Mat. 25:36 naked and you clothed me; sick and in prison, and you visited me.’ Mat. 25:37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Sir, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you anything to drink? Mat. 25:38 Or a stranger, and help you? Or naked, and clothe you? Mat. 25:39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ Mat. 25:40 “And I, the King, will tell them, ‘When you did it to these my brothers you were doing it to me!’ Mat. 25:41 Then I will turn to those on my left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. Mat. 25:42 For I was hungry and you wouldn’t feed me; thirsty, and you wouldn’t give me anything to drink; Mat 25:43 a stranger, and you refused me hospitality; naked, and you wouldn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ Mat. 25:44 “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ Mat 25:45 “And I will answer, ‘When you refused to help the least of these my brothers, you were refusing help to me.’ Mat. 25:46 “And they shall go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into everlasting life.”

    `These passages alone should make every teabagger out there fear the afterlife`

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.collins.37604 Michael Collins

    isn’t it amazing how these guys will misuse scriptures to justify their unchristian principles.

  • James

    Bob no disrespect, i have never disrespected you in this or other forums where you posted your points of view some of which i agreed with. so please cease with it. you may not believe in the bible which is your choice and i respect that. however dont belittle me for mine. thank you and hopefully we wont have any other misunderstandings as i have always liked the thoughts you put out in this forum as well as others.

  • J Smith

    This verse speaks DIRECTLY to lawmakers:
    Isaiah 10
    10 Woe to those who make unjust laws,
    to those who issue oppressive decrees,
    2 to deprive the poor of their rights
    and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people,
    making widows their prey
    and robbing the fatherless.
    3 What will you do on the day of reckoning,
    when disaster comes from afar?
    To whom will you run for help?
    Where will you leave your riches?
    4 Nothing will remain but to cringe among the captives
    or fall among the slain.
    Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away,
    his hand is still upraised.

  • http://gravatar.com/conn2460 conn2460

    Leviticus 23:22 “‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the LORD your God.’”

  • Jane

    WHY is the bible being quoted on the House floor in the first place?? Since it is NOT the law of the land, it is quite simply irrelevant and unapplicable. Why don’t lawmakers understand this?

    • Bob Cull

      Jane, there is only one flaw in your thinking, you are assuming that the Teapubs KNOW what the supreme law of the land is. You and I know that it is the Constitution and in their own twisted way they know it is the Constitution. But in their minds this is the entire text of the Constitution: “Congress shall make no law… prohibiting the free exercise of religion (as long as it is Christianity) Amendment II. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

  • Kate Moore

    And, let us not forget–Isaiah 58:7″ I want you to share your food with the hungry and bring right into your own homes those who are helpless, poor, and destitute. Clothe those who are cold, and don’t hide from relatives who need your help.”
    -

  • Kate Moore

    Unfortunately, I made one error—
    Thessalonians, at least part of the quoted scripture above, is from the New Testament. It was written by Paul, however, not by Christ and it seems to me that for a Christian, the actual words of Christ come first. When He said ‘judge not—’, and ‘love your neighbor as yourself’ and ‘the greatest commandment is love’—I doubt that He was referring to Paul’s Epistle on letting them starve.

    • Deanna Woods

      Another point that Fincher appears not to know about his Bible: Paul was talking to the Thessalonian Christians, and the problem was that some of the able-bodied in the community had stopped working because they were waiting for Christ’s return. Paul is telling the group that these non-workers needed to get back to work. Clearly, the Thessalonians’ situation is not the same as those Christ or the Old Testament prophets are talking about.

      • http://twitter.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr (@Jkirk3279)

        Yes, some of the Thessalonians had decided that Christ’s Return was imminent and they had to spend all their time evangelizing.

        Paul wrote to them and said ‘fine, but if you don’t work, you won’t eat; we’re not going to feed you’.

        Which is fair and reasonable.

        Christianity didn’t have a Priesthood then. And it was better off that way.

        It’s typical Conservative nonsense to cherry-pick something from the Bible to support their stupidity and ignore everything to the contrary.

      • KatyH

        Thank you for bringing that up. How could anyone not have corrected that fool for his misquote the minute it came out of his mouth? The “work” referred to in that line was the “work” for early Christians to do, which would have certainly including working for the poor, marginalized, and oppressed. Also, the early Christians pooled all their resources and supported each other. The teabaggers would have called them communists.

  • Kate Moore

    Christ came, we are told, to improve things. That is why, of one is Christian, the New Testament trumps the old if they conflict. Christ did not say ‘feed the hungry and care for the needy if it’s convenient and you approve of them’—he just said ‘do it.’ When anyone, tea party or otherwise, attempts to justify their Christianity with ‘let ‘em die’ philosophies, they are hypocrites and quite possibly blasphemous, although that depends on how broadly one defines blasphemy.

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  • Buz Lawson

    I don’t mean to burst anybody’s bubble, here, but Isaiah is not in the New Testament. It is in the Old Testament, in what the Hebrews call the ‘books of the Prophets.’

  • Obama’s Wars

    Remember the slogan, “The buck stops here?” Obama signs the bills that allow farm subsidies, oil tax breaks and corporate welfare. He is eager to giver your tax money to banks and corporations like Monsanto and Exxon. Too bad he doesn’t invest our money in more helpful causes that benefit Americans long term.

    • Bob Cull

      Most of that crap that your heroes, the knuckle walking Teapubs want, is attached to other legislation that provides funding for programs that are truly important. Prime example, the so called Monsanto protection act. It was a rider attached to a bill that would provide funding for SNAP by Roy Blunt a Teapub who inserted it for HIS benefactor Monsanto which in fact wrote it. As soon as it was signed the Teapubs ran screaming into the streets to announce that “Obama sold us out to Monsanto.” Great tactic, it works for the uneducated morons who vote for them, the rest of us, not so much.

      • http://www.facebook.com/elaine.daprano Elaine Daprano

        The crap allus works on the feeble-witted these days. That’s why they don’t want anyone getting higher, or much of any, education.

        • Bob Cull

          And it works well on them, Elaine. Most of the Teapubs I try to give the facts to who rant about the lousy teachers who are overpaid and under worked cannot spell even using the computer. I don’t know if they are too lazy to use the spell check and auto correct or just don’t know what that red squiggle means but it is painful to decipher some of their posts. My personal take has always been that they don’t want anyone to be any better educated than they are.

    • Richard

      Here’s my thought…there’s no bringing the Republican party back from what its become. TeaPublican politicians will forever be in danger of getting “primaried” by the corporate supports system they created. The Republican party is doomed. I think the most important thing we can do now is start developing an alternative party for Republicans to slip into. Make it just like the Republican party, but estranged from the corporate interests that control this one. We need to pull the body of the snake away from the corporate head, but we have to give it a head to eat and bite with afterward. If we don’t create an alternative for the conservative, stupid and non-thinking to slip seamlessly into, they’re going to continue to latch onto the support group they have now. It’s going to be a dirty business, but it’s necessary at this point. We’re going to have to create a kind of “artificial” party for these people…like a support group for idiots where we can contain them and expose them to non-evil leadership. That’s the next stage in our strategy to remove stupidity and corporatism from power. Cut the body from the head, and the head will eventually die on its own.

      • http://twitter.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr (@Jkirk3279)

        Hmm.

        Start with the “Christian Party”.

        That’s just crazy enough to work.

        The loons will flock to it, be instantly marginalized, and the GOP will lose a major source of funding.

        I was going to say we could bring back the “Know-Nothings”, but the Tea Party beat us to it.

        The “head” we need to isolate is the “Economic Republicans” segment of the GOP.

        They’ve always been a tiny minority, and they NEED the Know-Nothings and the Holy Rollers to provide foot soldiers and funding for the bills to, say, cut taxes on the Rich.

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  • Bob Cull

    Hey, genius, no one has ever said that there were no storms before climate change began. What the scientists are saying, and I think they may just have a little better grasp of the subject than you do with your sixth grade ejumucation, is that they are increasing in frequency and severity. I know I used a lot of words of more than four letters but perhaps you could find someone to read it for you.

    • Erich

      Well said!

  • http://www.facebook.com/WindwalkerPhotography Frank LaFerriere

    Repugnants and TeaBaggers are going to be sent to hell by your Jesus because YOU REFUSE to follow these teachings of his:

    Leviticus 25:35-36 “If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you.

    Luke 14:13-14 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

    Matthew 25:34-40 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? Jesus replied when you have done this to the least among you then you have done it to me.

    Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed

    Psalm 82:3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.cerullo.16 John Cerullo

    Amerikan “conservatism” is fascism is disease.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Halo.2u Sandra Hamilton

    Want not for I will feed you. I think he meant we who had food would share that food.

    It is the Red states that have the greatest poverty and the largest amount of people who receive food stamps. They won’t provide jobs that would allow people to be able to afford food and have companies who send these employees to the state for help paying for food and Medical needs.

    What a bunch of hypocrites…they make it impossible for people to survive by paying so little than tell them to all starve.

  • Bob Teabaggerhater

    Joe. what Federal Budget in what Nation are you talking about? Defense spending is and has been the largest part of the federal budget since World War Two, corporate welfare get’s almost eight times as much of the budget as social welfare, billions to oil companies who are making record profits every quarter. Why don’t you actually look at the Federal Budget before making up bullshit and regurgitating what you hear assholes like that junky scumbag Rush or psychotic ass hat Beck spew
    out of their lying mouths as fact.

  • William

    Do you look at every product you buy and make sure it’s made in the United States? What car do you drive? Unless you only buy American made products, you are taking jobs away from Americans.

    • Doug

      Are there not poor in Bangladesh? In China? In India? In Vietnam? Where is the justice or humanity in boycotting them? Charity does not stop at giving. It also includes a generous willingness to engage in trade with others.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.cerullo.16 John Cerullo

        Yes, there are, and one of the reasons they are poor is that capitalists moved their “businesses” into their countries, destroying the economies and they gave them the choice of slave labor or starvation. So we are helping exploit both American workers and the slave laborers overseas when we buy products made in slave labor camps.

        • Joe Hill

          And that is exactly the point…the capitalists are always seeking the cheapest possible labor, hence their rushing off to countries with no labor or workplace protections. They can safely let ‘em burn in fire traps and still suck profit out of it. Doug’s Pollyanna rubbish about ‘engaging in trade’ doesn’t pass the litmus test. Capitalists exploit a labor pool and then pull out leaving even greater economic devastation in their wake than when they arrived. “A generous willingness to engage in trade with others…” What a crock. Get real, Doug.

      • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

        It is not morally just to ignore the suffering man on your doorstep as you rush off to aid a suffering man in another street/town/state/country/etc.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.kriegar Robert Kriegar

      yes, William, some people do!

  • Patrick

    from what I am seeing and hearing from MOST churches today, I believe that athiests are a lot closer to God that most conservative Christians.

    • Christian Schmemann

      Have you ever tried an Eastern Orthodox Church? Or have you ever tried a Catholic Church ran by Jesuits? You’ll see a radically different and much more authentic face of Christianity in those Churches.

      • Mi

        Religion is a waste of time I could do better going to the streets helping people I don’t need a invisible person to tell me that.

  • Bob Cull

    There is hypocrisy everywhere, Mark, but the majority of it in this country is on the right. The further to the right you look the more of it you find. Want a perfect example? Two words Michelle Bachman! The Queen of the bats**t crazies is about as hypocritical as one gets, not to mention dumber than a bag of rocks!

  • Ed

    Screw the bible or any other man written doctrine… whatever happened to good old fashion compassion? Isn’t there a story in the bible as to how Jesus just fed the poor? Nothing about teaching them to fish in that moment, they were hungry, so he fed them.

    What I love most about these Tea Party Reps, most of them come from states that lead this nation in:
    taking more aid from the Federal Gov’t than they contribute
    highest HS drop out rates, highest illiteracy rates
    highest teenage pregnancy rates.

    And I recently read a study that shows that the states with the weakest gun laws, lead the nation in gun violence.

    Maybe if they would clean up their act in their home states, there wouldn’t be such a problem and the RED Conservatives states wouldn’t be a burden on the rest of us.

    • http://attp,org Bernadette

      I totally agree with you! It is because of the republicans stupidity that these tornadoes and hurricanes happen because they deny climate change and won’y do any who denied to do anything about acid rains! thing to solve the problems and this since Reagan. Carter had solar panel installed on the roof of the white house and Reagan took them down!

      • Don

        Really, so we never had hurricanes or tornadoes before global warming. You are bats*^t crazy.

        • Ed

          Don, of course we have had them. That isn’t the point… the point is the growth in the severity, potentially the frequency and that is undeniable. A person would really have to be living in a state of denial not to see what is transpiring right before our eyes.

          And not just storms…unusual weather patterns as well… that is the REAL indicator that the climate is changing.

          • Bob Cull

            You’re talking to the walls here, Ed. Don and his ilk gleefully cover their eyes and ears to the facts and deny that it isn’t happening because they don’t want to believe it. They are delusional and think that as long as they refuse to admit what is happening it will go away. It’s kind of like throwing the electric bill away without opening it, if I didn’t see it it never came. Right? Oh wait, why is it dark in here?!

          • Timothy Monteith

            I just love it when angry right-wingers write IN ALL CAPS, as if it makes their points come across better, but just make them look more stupid. Read a grammar book dumba**, and NOT just your “bible.” You just come across as an idiot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/don.swartz.524 Don Swartz

    2 Thessalonians was arguably NOT written by Paul and arguably written to sway a people, which is why I don’t trust the bible. I certainly don’t trust Paul or anyone that refers to Leviticus. I absolutely don’t trust someone who picks and chooses from scripture to fit his or her goals, as is the case of all religions. Also humorous, is that this quote was used by Lenin as a socialist principle. Good job teabagger socialist!

  • http://www.facebook.com/carolann.booher Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

    How can the poor work when their jobs are sold overseas by crooks like mitt romney for a profit.. how can the work when the tepubs in congress and senate vote down every jobs bill that the president presents before them.. i dont see any of these big fat assed politicians missing a meal and they sure as hell dont work except on beating a dead horse by repealing something that is here to stay and then when they get done doing that they take a long vacation over and over, i say take their salaries and feed the poor or tell them to go the hell to work.. its time to take out the trash in washington, vote these crooked tepublicans back to their home states and let them starve cause they sure as hell are not going to work

    • Timothy Monteith

      You are so right.

    • Steve

      Exactly Carol. Economic policy has a built in rate of unemployment. Five percent or less unemployment isz usually referred to as full employment. In addition the bankers at the Fed who make money supply decisions will tighten the money supply to “fight inflation”(certainly not a problem now) thusly putttting even more people out of work. Lastly the unemployment statistics vastly underreport true unemployment. Many wish to work but the jobs are simply not there. I also agree that the self righteous republicans do no wortthwhile work and thus should receive no salary.

  • Mark

    from the party that condones abortion. gotta love the hypocrisy from the left

    • Ed

      Can you please tell the class, where EXACTLY in the bible abortion is mentioned?

      • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

        Thou shalt not murder (accurate in context translation).

    • Ed

      BTW Mark… you have it incorrect. It’s not about CONDONING Abortion, it’s about living a society where an individual person has the freedom to make choices for themselves, without the intrusion of the Govt.

      You GOP guys hate Gov’t intrusion, unless it has to do with someone’s body or who they love. You hate Gov’t spending, until you need it in your state, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, Texas, now Oklahoma.

      This nation was not founded on Christian principals, no matter what Glenn Beck tells you. It was founded on the principal of freedom, actually freedom from religion.

      BTW… I am going to make the assumption that you are religious, follow the bible, please excuse me if I am wrong. Ever play football, either just tossing it around with friends or more organized? Cause if you have, let me know when I can come over and STONE YOU TO DEATH for touching the skin of a dead pig. Because THAT is against the bible as well.

    • Jim

      Abortion i9s the elimination of a hunk of tissue. It can’t live outside the body. It doesnt have a soul. Go protest on death row, and take care of poor children…and adults, for that matter. Of course you WONT. So, no nothing hypocritical on the left, at all. It’s not a child being aborted. It’s a blob. The boy or girl at the homeless shelter IS a child. A child for which hypocrites such as yourself are doing nothing. Christ vomits at the thought of you adopting his name….

      • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

        The pre-born baby meets every scientific test for life from the moment of conception. And I would dearly love to see you prove it doesn’t have a soul.

        That you would invoke Christ to justify your pro-baby murder position makes me wonder if YOU have a soul, however.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.kriegar Robert Kriegar

      Leave to the party who thinks others bedrooms, bodies, and vaginas are THEIR business.

      What the left condones is a persons right to choose their path in life, and to have the privacy of their bedrooms, and their bodies, kept safely out of the hands of the right! No matter how to rights try to twist it, you’ll always remain nebsh**s.

      • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

        If it were just THEIR bodies, you might have a point.

        However it ISN’T just “their” bodies. It isn’t the mother’s heart that stops. It isn’t the mother’s life that is taken unjustly and in a horrifically painful manner.

        It’s the pre-born baby’s.

        Society has an absolute DUTY to stand in protection of innocents who cannot protect themselves.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WindwalkerPhotography Frank LaFerriere

      Leviticus 25:35-36 “If your brother becomes poor and cannot maintain himself with you, you shall support him as though he were a stranger and a sojourner, and he shall live with you. Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you.

      Luke 14:13-14 But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

      Matthew 25:34-40 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? Jesus replied when you have done this to the least among you then you have done it to me.

      Proverbs 19:17 Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed

      Psalm 82:3 Give justice to the weak and the fatherless; maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.

      • Perry

        Frank, give it a rest. People here have been trying to say we don’t care about the bible and Christianity. Go peddle crazy somewhere else.

        • http://twitter.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr (@Jkirk3279)

          You’re missing the point.

          It’s not about whether some few people say “I don’t care, the Bible isn’t the Constitution”, although of course, that’s correct.

          It’s about the Republicans cherry-picking the Bible to suit themselves, and the sheer FUN we can have beating them down with what the Bible actually says.

          Don’t discard a weapon you can use.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000907279043 John Baker

      Typical two-dimensional black and white conservative “thinking.” They’re completely unable to grasp the idea that you can support someone’s right to make their own choices without necessarily agreeing with or approving of the choices they make.

    • Joe Hill

      Mark – are you serious? I bet you are. Typical – screaming with indignant fervor about the ‘rights’ of vibrant protoplasm, but happy to let men, women and children starve. And if they don’t starve to death, you and your cretin pals are more than happy to send them off to die in wars to protect the interest of the corporate elite. Talk about hypocrisy – you’re a joke.

  • http://andrewwalton.wordpress.com Walton Andrew

    I’m not religious – but “do unto others as you would have others do unto you” [Matthew 7:12] would seem to be appropriate here.

  • http://gravatar.com/euphgeek euphgeek

    It’s the poor people’s own fault they’re hungry. If they don’t want to be poor, they should simply start making more money!

    (Yes, this is snark.)

    • http://gravatar.com/ccc630 Chris

      Scary thing is, though, that it’s a pretty fair summary of what Teabaggers actually believe! They wouldn’t see the sarcasm at all, sadly.

      • http://gravatar.com/euphgeek euphgeek

        Yep. Which is why I felt I had to clarify that my comment was snark, lest people here jump all over me as if I was serious. Poe’s law, and all that.

  • Carol

    Why do we have to quote the Bible in order to justify helping people in need? What has happened to our humanity?

    • JC

      F**k the Bible.

      • Bryan

        Amen!

      • http://twitter.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr (@Jkirk3279)

        That comment is not helpful to our cause.

        You offend people that aren’t our enemies when you pull that crap.

      • Joe Hill

        +1

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000907279043 John Baker

      We shouldn’t have to. We should gladly help the less fortunate simply because it’s the right thing to do. But the intent is to shine a light on conservative hypocrisy. They loudly and continually proclaim their deep love of God, country and traditional Christian values, but wouldn’t help their own grandmothers unless there was a way for them to profit from it.

    • Heidi

      Because some people have it in their heads that you can ONLY learn to be a good person by reading the Bible and following “Gods” laws. They don’t realize that humans have a developed enough brain to learn right from wrong. A lot of what is learned in early childhood is inherited or taught. The decisions made later in life are usually the results of that upbringing. Sometimes it is just that someone has something wrong in their head. But to a Bible thumper, that would be Satan taking over.

    • http://twitter.com/Jkirk3279 William Carr (@Jkirk3279)

      We don’t HAVE to quote the Bible to justify helping those in need.

      But it’s so much FUN pointing out what hypocrites the Republicans are, why not hit them where they live ?

  • http://twitter.com/MikkiCZ Mikki Caplan-Zaple (@MikkiCZ)

    I want to request this again, although my last effort was in vain. Can we please refer to these “teapublicans” as what they are Republicans? You let the entire GOP get off when you label the whackos as teapublicans. The represent the Republican party, they should be recognized as such.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carolann.booher Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

      the teaparty is the downfall of the republican party so let it be known for what it is tepubs

    • Perry

      The Republican Party that I knew growing up is not what I see in this century. Back then all politicians referred to each other (irregardless of affiliation) “my esteemed colleague.” Barry Goldwater was an ultra-right wing conservative then but now he would be a Democrat. Some of his quotes:
      “You don’t have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight.”
      “To disagree, one doesn’t have to be disagreeable.”
      “I wouldn’t trust Nixon from here to that phone.”
      “It’s wonderful that we have so many religious people in our party, … They need to leave their theologies in their churches.”

      Now, the Republican Party has morphed into the Teapublican Party. I don’t see it ever going back. In another election or 2 it will become obsolete and I hope an intelligent group of individuals comes to the fore to start constructive debate, negotiate in good faith and, most important, care more about this country and it’s citizens than money and power.

      • Bob Cull

        I was talking to one of them a couple of weeks ago and I pointed out to him that Barry Goldwater and Ev Dirksen were very conservative and that they would not recognize or approve of the party today. He told me that they were RINO’s. LMMFAO!

  • http://www.facebook.com/fluffysingler Fluffy Singler

    Isaiah is not in the New Testament. But there are a gazillion references to the poor just in the gospels, let alone in Corinthians and many many books of the New Testament. Let’s talk about the entire sermon on the mount, for example. “Lord, when were you hungry and I refused to give you food . . . “

  • Rhonda Crenshaw

    I think it is in the Book of Proverbs “He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their maker. Who ever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.” Another verse same book, “He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich, both come to poverty.”

  • antimule

    Here’s an interesting article on the subject of what God expects of people: http://stevedutch.blogspot.com/2012/07/this-time-its-biblical.html

    The author is a conservative who is disgusted by tea party.

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobbie.justice Bobbie Jo Justice

    somehow I bet they aren’t obeying their babble, er, bible and murdering everyone who works on the sabbath as mandated in exodus.

  • Spike

    First of all, New Testament is lame. Secondly, to quote Obi Wan Kenobi, “only a Sith deals in absolutes!”

  • Sandra

    It is a mystery to me why the bible is used as a moral compass for political decisions. I am not a religious person but I know right from wrong. Taxpayers have been providing corporate welfare for well over a hundred years. The greatness of a nation is determined by how it treats its citizens, all of them, not just the fortunate. I don’t know the statistics, but can only imagine, that if you compare the subsidies given to private corporations against private citizens corporations would have the greater amount.

    • http://www.facebook.com/robert.kriegar Robert Kriegar

      But aren’t corporations people too???

      8-/

  • Bob Cull

    Are you being purposely obtuse, Chuck? The Bible quotes are being cited to show the hypocrisy of Mr Fincher. To demand that the Constitutional ban on a State endorsed religion does not preclude personal religiosity, nor does it mean that when a hypocrite such as Fincher attempts to use a Biblical quote one cannot rebut his cherry picked quotes with one that actually apply to the situation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.cartwright.18 Mark Cartwright

    I just searched the Congressional Record and found nothing on this quote. Documentation please.

  • Chuck

    Funny how all you liberals want to quote scripture but scream from the rooftops that all references to christianity be removed from the public squares of this nation.

    Why do you expect people to follow the ten commandments and other biblical social teachings when judges who think like you have time and again ordered them removed from public view.

    • http://adamgoodrich.com Adam

      The difference here is that tax dollars are not paying anyone here to sell a denomination or general religion.

    • http://saje3d.wordpress.com Saje

      I refuse to accept a position of moral superiority from a group of people who’ve never actually exhibited it. If you want us to stop quoting your religion back at you, quit using it to attack everyone else. Then the rest of us will have no reason to point out your hypocrisy. Live and let live. Leave others their otherness. Just shut the hell up. Problem solved.

      • Jim Newton

        Dear Author, You supposed bible quote from the New Testament is actually from Isaiah,which is Old Testament.

      • http://attp,org Bernadette

        amen Saje!

    • Chery Greenberg

      So because it isn’t displayed publicly to remind you of what you should do, you can’t remember how to be a good person? Wow. I suggest Ginkgo Biloba to improve your memory. Assuming you have any memory of whether you were taught anything at home by your parents, who are the ones that should have taught you morals, not some sign or plaque or sculpture.

    • herent

      Um, they’re not quoting it as something that should be followed. They’re pointing out the obscene hypocrisy of people that claim to live by ‘the word’ but consistently ignore the parts they don’t like.

    • Kelly

      you need a reminder in public places to follow your religious beliefs?

    • Timothy Monteith

      First, you’re an idiot. Cling to your beliefs. Hold them close.

      LET’s get exact. How many of your prayers fixed/done what you have done something good/an example?

      NO bs., tell the truth, give us an example. Pics welcome.

    • IolantheLA

      It’s because you Teash**s never shut up about what fine Christians you are … when you’re really just selfish, greedy, mean … and ASTONISHINGLY stupid and gullible.

      • http://www.facebook.com/robert.kriegar Robert Kriegar

        Can I get an “AMEN”?

        Amen!

    • iodine9

      well, you know there are liberal christians out there. and the point is that if you are going to use one particular scripture out there to justify your point of view (which is a bad stance to take – using only faith-based justifications because there is so-called separation of church and state) there are other scriptures out there that contradictory so be prepared to face up to them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carolann.booher Carol Ann Hunigan Booher

      oh come on Chuck its the Conservatives that quote the bible..who do you think this article is about a tpub who quotes the bible saying people should starve if they dont work..not the liberals…its the conservatives who are abortion nuts and then believe its ok to let the child starve by taking away lunch..not the liberals.. the conservatives hypocrites who believe only in the rich who pretend to be christian….Jesus fed the poor these conservative thugs who are holding our country hostage and pretending to be christian need to be voted out

    • keith

      Funny how you Rethuglicans love to shove religion in peoples face but hate having your own tool used against you. Rethuglicans are evil. Pure evil.

      • Carrie

        You get FIVE stars for your comment since there are no ‘likes’ here.

    • Ed

      If you live and believe in the scripture, why do you need to put it on display? Not that I personally have a problem with it, unless it is only one religion. So if there are going to be symbols of the Judeo/Christian faith, than there must also be symbols of every other faith, including the Pagans, upon which much of Christianity is based upon. Think about that the next time you set up that tree in December, it’s Pagan!

      But are these displays that which makes the difference, the gilded churches with their ornate display of wealth… or actually living as Jesus did, a simple life of a carpenter?

      Judges are NOT supposed to be making judgements based on the bible… that would be Anti-American as well as unconstitutional. There is a thing called separation of church and state, that our founders, while believing in God themselves, knew better than to have religious doctrine anywhere near a truly free society.

      Freedom OF religion also must mean freedom FROM religion.

    • Jack

      Hang the ten commandments in the public square? OK, let’s run down the jurisprudential consequences of violating them:

      1. Not only legal, but specifically enshrined in the constitution.
      2. Legal.
      3. Legal.
      4. Legal, unless you own a liquor store in certain places.
      5. Legal.
      6. Illegal
      7. Legal
      8. Illegal
      9. Legal, unless testifying under oath or speaking to a federal agent.
      10. Not only legal, but a foundational principle of consumer capitalism.

      That’s only a 25% correlation with what the actual law is, while forbidding things that we hold up as inalienable rights.

      Why would anyone want the government to display something like that?

      • http://swamplandblogs.wordpress.com jerryball

        Only two of the ten commandments are writ into United States law. Thou shalt not steal, and Thou shalt not kill. The other eight commandments are not applicable in U.S. law. So only 20% actually are applicable, period.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000907279043 John Baker

      Do we have to spoon-feed everything to you righties, Chuck? The intent is to point out YOUR hypocrisy. You talk the Christian talk, but you don’t walk the walk. Jesus told you to help the poor and the sick, feed the hungry and house the homeless, but you want none of that. You’d rather spend a trillion dollars to bomb the living crap out of some insignificant little country that poses no threat to our security simply because you don’t like their politics than spend a penny to help fellow Americans in need. If I, an atheist, understand that this is not how Christians should behave, why don’t you?

      I guess “love thy neighbor” only applies if thy neighbor is white, Christian and Republican, eh, Chuck?

  • Dugas

    Is that what Jesus would say, you ignorant f*cker.

  • Frank S

    Mark 10:17-25…Pseudo Christians are not good even though they claim to be so and they ignore Jesus’ admonition to give all they have to the poor! They are not true followers…

    • http://www.thinkyhead.com Thinkyhead

      I prefer Christophrenics.

  • Moops

    I’d like to see some context for this comment. On its surface, it has nothing to do with the poor, elderly or disabled. Simply those unwilling to work (as opposed to “unable”). I can’t really disagree with the sentiment.

    As far as the percentage of benefits that go to the “disabled,” check out TAL’s report on that issue: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/490/trends-with-benefits

    NPR–not exactly a bastion of conservative thought.

    • http://adamgoodrich.com Adam

      Your source isn’t “incorrect”, yet they are showing the numbers in a way to tell a story that really isn’t there. First you need to count in population growth in the last 15 years… the population was around 275.9 million fifteen years ago and today we are at 313.9+ million. So this metric of the extra 38 million people would need to be analyzed. Second, we need to parse out the number of retiring as a percentage of population to isolate the “baby boomer” generations vs. normal trends in population growth. The post war baby boom of 1946-1964 will have an affect on TAL’s report as well considering they won’t be figured in for a long term cue as to the growth of generations yet to retire which will have a nominalization effect on growth of programs and a period following the baby boomers which the trending algorithm will eventually catch 20 years from now.

      Also, the TAL article doesn’t include any sources for “percentage of benefits that go to the disabled”. It is a historic trend of the total number of people receiving disability. I’ll work on the context around their article in one moment.

    • http://gravatar.com/americantaxpayerandpatriot americantaxpayerandpatriot

      Moops, you’re either Christian, or your not! Fox “news” n Rush Limbaugh are not exactly bastions of Christianity, either!!

      • http://adamgoodrich.com Adam

        If only it were so simple… we live in an era with a “Christian Right” and now we have a “Christian Left”. The denominations push out the fundamentalism pretty clearly, but the need to feel united has Fundamentalists scrambling to include all denominations into one term of simply “Christianity”. Most of us on the left of politics tend to get high doses of those fundies to the point where anything “Christian” is just a bad idea to get rid of. However, there are many very Progressive and Liberal churches out there who also identify by that label. The GOP have been trashing that label for a long time now. The Libertarians jumped in to beat the dead horse after the fear died down. I tend to like organizations who identify as Christian and want to stay the heck out of government, politics, and schools.

    • http://adamgoodrich.com Adam

      Here is one guy who said it… ironic, huh? I’ll get the other article here in a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_who_does_not_work,_neither_shall_he_eat

    • http://adamgoodrich.com Adam

      Got it. This was during a Farm Bill argument and a Democrat from California said, “[Jesus] says how you treat the least among us, the least of our brothers, that’s how you treat him” to which Fincher responded, “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” You can say that he was possibly just being political here by grasping for scripture to battle scripture… but there wasn’t much of any context outside of those two statements as they were. They really are “in context” as-is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregg.davis.52 Gregg Davis

    Factually bankrupt? They’re morally bankrupt.

  • Rick Kitchen

    Ezekiel 23:20

  • Hans Etter

    Is. 10:1-3. “Woe to those who enact evil statutes, and to those who continually record unjust decisions, so as to deprive the needy of justice, and rob the poor of My people of their rights… Now what will you do in the day of punishment, and in the devastation which will come from afar?”

  • Hans Etter

    Jer. 22:3. Do justice and righteousness, and deliver the one who has been robbed from the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.

    • http://www.facebook.com/james.mcdonald.946 James McDonald

      dont forget be mindful of your company, you might be entertaining an angel and not even know it.

  • Toga

    That verse applys to lazy, not poor.

  • Tamara Hergert

    In thinking about treatment of children who are innocent of any cause of their economical circumstances… Take away the food support, eliminate Breakfast and lunch programs in schools for low income kids, and somehow I think this falls into the scripture that reads “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.s ” Matthew 18:6. I know that there will be responses to this saying, “No, that’s about causing a child to sin”. What do you think will happen if a child is hungry enough? Might that child not steal a lunch from a classmate? Might he not steal Graham Crackers reserved for Milk Break? Might he not steal food from a grocery store? Or to the extreme, as David and I saw years ago while living in Oklahoma City, an eight or nine year old boy who was breaking into apartments in our building to steal nothing but food. It turned out when he was caught, that this little boy was also trying to feed his equally hungry younger siblings.

    I also have to ask, what do you think happens to the faith of a child, who will so easily believe the words spoken to him at church, when day after day and night after night of trying to function, sleep and survive daily life, in constant relentless hunger, never sees anyone help, doesn’t get fed, and the people who are telling him to have faith in Jesus are the very ones who are making the situation worse by cutting, or removing altogether, the benefits that see to it that that child eats at least once a day? When a Childs constant thought is one of being hungry, and the pain of it is gnawing the walls of his stomach and there is never any relief, in spite of faith, it would be completely reasonable to think that child might well wind up being a person who asks “What did God ever do for me?”

    • AATTP

      We could not agree more, and applaud your firm understanding of life’s dynamic and complex nature. Children can make it without material things, but they cannot make it without hope. SNAP and other programs like it can provide the glimmer of hope they need to survive, and sometimes even thrive.

    • Timothy Monteith

      I’m an atheist, but I think that being kind to each other, whether it giving gas ( I carry 1.2 gal. with me), rides like I did last week, to a Mexican family; she was (I found out) 8 months pregnant, he was carrying all five Walmart bags home, and gave them a ride. He pulled out money from his pocket when we stopped at their trailer park. I refused it. I had, at the time, more than they probably had. Not much, but a little, it is IMPORTANT to help other folks.

  • Angelica

    The right wingers are not as dumb and fundamentalist as they would like everyone to believe. They get huge underwriting from the Koch brothers, who represent the Bilderberg Society in America. The Bilderbergs want a one world government and. In order to get that, they have to break the middle class in every westernized country. The republicans are happy to break the middle class for the right hefty bribes (PAC donations). Thus we have morons like Fincher spouting off. The GOP is America’s Sociopathic Political Party.

    • http://gravatar.com/americantaxpayerandpatriot americantaxpayerandpatriot

      Kudos, Angelica

    • http://www.facebook.com/james.mcdonald.946 James McDonald

      if any one ever read the scriptures of relevations that shows you those who are trying to hardwire the world ie the one world government, one world money, as well as one world religion. next thing to come from that will be the chip and they will try to say its in the name of security so it will tie your money into it and without it you will starve as you will be unable to buy or sell anything. for all anyone knows the so called koch brothers no doubt work for the beast even though they will fool only themselves thinking that they dont.

      • Bob Cull

        James, they are doing amazing things with therapy and anti psychotic drugs these days. You may want to seek treatment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/phil.bolton.79 Phil Bolton

    I’m not a religious person, but I suspect Jesus would like to have a word or two with his so-called “follower”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.renee.radford eddieVroom

    Looking at the tornado footage, I’m thinking that “God” may have a problem with bible-thumpers. But the only thing I’m certain of is that someone will blame Gay Marriage.

  • Ron

    Fincher needs to be starved to death. Period!

  • mn_me

    Then there’s this from Matthew 25:31-46

    It’s pretty unequivocal about what a follower of Jesus is expected to do. And I don’t think “Let ‘em die” is in here anywhere….

    The Sheep and the Goats

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

    • http://ttatg.wordpress.com navyguns

      The difference being, Jesus expected them to do this with their own money, not that belonging to another.

      • AATTP

        Oh, is that what Jesus meant? Please, continue to tell us what Jesus was really saying because we’re sure you know.

        • Bill Miller

          Jesus said “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s”.
          Mark 12:17. Did you know that they had a food stamp program in the Roman Empire? Since many of the lower class were citizens, the ancient Romans had a program to help them, somewhat like a welfare program. The welfare program was called the annona.

          There was also a separate WIC-type or school-lunch program (the alimenta), just for kids,

          In the regular food welfare system, people were issued welfare stamps, which were little tokens, called tesserae. You showed up with your tokens (tesserae) and containers, at large government warehouses. You got wheat flour — or bread already baked from government bakeries, and other foodstuffs. Meat was distributed on special occasions with special tokens.

          Sounds to me like Jesus was pretty specific about paying taxes to the government, and that yes, the government DID care for the poor.

        • http://ttatg.wordpress.com navyguns

          Parable of sheep and goats? It was individuals being judged for their individual actions with their own property. Unless you want to live in a theocracy where the government operates strictly by principles of the dominate religion, you would be hard pressed to justifying the government as Robin Hood.

        • Caleb Grunfeld

          @AATP Yes, Navyguns is Right in what they posted. And it’s Not hard to see at all, of course, if the time is taken to really read it for yourselves.

          “continue to tell us what Jesus was really saying because we’re sure you know.”

          Absolutely No need to be sarcastic.

          • Caleb Grunfeld

            Jesus WAS speaking to the individuals, as in the OT Tithing was required anyway. It is as well in the New. Various governments of the ancient world had various programs of sorts to help the poor and needy as well too. The governing body needs to and should help the poor and needy. Not just when they are destitute, but when they need that extra hand for awhile too !!!!

      • JOSEPH KING

        RIGHT, NAVYGUNS, YOU WON’T FIND ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE THAT TELLS PEOPLE IT IS FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE FROM SOMEONE THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR AND GIVE IT TO A POLITICIAN WHO WOULD, IN TURN, TAKE THAT MONEY AND HAND IT OUT TO BUY THE VOTES OF THE POOR., OF COURSE, FOR A GROUP THAT BOOED HAVING GOD ‘ADDED BACK’ INTO THE DNC PARTY PLATFORM, I DON’T THINK JESUS WOULD BE TO HAPPY HAVING HIS FATHER MOCKED AND BOOED, AND HAVING PEOPLE WHO DO NOTHING FOR THE POOR THAT THEY TAKE OUT OF ‘THEIR’ OWN POCKETS, YET DISPARAGE AND LAMBAST ANYONE WHO DOESN’T WANT TO HAND OVER THEIR HARD-EARNED MONEY THRU TAXES FOR POLITICIANS TO USE TO BUY VOTES. AND SINCE SOCIAL SERVICES, LIKE SNAP, SECTION 8 HOUSING, WIC, ADC, EBT CARDS, ‘FREE’ SCHOOL BREAKFASTS AND LUNCHES COMPRISE THE SINGLE LARGEST EXPENDITURE IN THE FEDERAL BUDGET, IT’S NOT LIKE WE ARE LETTING ANYONE STARVE TO DEATH. IF WE WERE, IT WOULD BE UNBELIEVABLY EASY FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO IMPOSE SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM TO GET PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF SUCH PEOPLE LYING DEAD IN THE STREETS. INSTEAD, WE AS A NATION ARE PLAGUED NOT BY HUNGER, BUT BY OBESITY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM HELPING THE ‘TRULY’ NEEDY, BEING POOR MYSELF, WITH A TON OF MEDICAL ISSUES AND GETTING NO GOV HELP, AND STILL TRYING MY BEST TO GO OUT AND KEEP WORKING, BUT WHEN I BECAME SEMI-DISABLED AND HAD NO INCOME, THOUGH I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD MORE CHILDREN, I STOPPED HAVING ANY MORE BECAUSE I KNEW I COULD NOT AFFORD TO RAISE THEM ON MY OWN DIME. I ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ‘FAT CATS’ WHO CRY ABOUT HELPING THE TRULY NEEDY, WHICH THEIR ARE ALOT OF WHAT I CALL MYSELF, THE ‘WORKING POOR’, AND HAVE NO PROBLEM, LIKE THIS GUY, WITH TAKING GOV SUBSIDIES AND CORPORATE WELFARE, WHICH IS JUST AS WRONG, IF NOT MORE SO, THAN SHIRKERS TAKING REG WELFARE, AND IT IS A TRAVESTY FOR THEM WHO COULD AFFORD TO DO WITHOUT SUCH SUBISIDIES TO KEEP TAKING THEM, AND BEGRUDGE THOSE WHO JESUS CALLED THE ‘LEAST AMOUNGST US’.

        • Bob Cull

          Apparently, Joseph, you don’t have a great deal of conviction of your beliefs. People who are comfortable that what they believe to be true, don’t have to shout it at the top of their lungs as you do!

          • http://www.thinkyhead.com Thinkyhead

            His bunker only has a TTY terminal.

        • http://www.facebook.com/fluffysingler Fluffy Singler

          Social welfare programs are not even CLOSE to the biggest part of the federal budget. The DEFENSE budget is the biggest part of the federal budget. Some people, however, do include veteran’s benefits in the social welfare portion, rather than the defense budget, which inflates it slightly. But you need to get your facts right.

          I got food stamps this spring, by the way, for the first time in my 48 years! I work 4 jobs, but they are all educational temp jobs–test scoring, adjunct teaching, etc. and none of them pay benefits and most of those I cannot get unemployment for. The EBT when I was only working very part time in January & February was a GODSEND.

        • Caleb Grunfeld

          @Joseph King There are many organizations, groups, etc. that also help the poor and those that need that extra help to get going again. But there comes a time when they are simply tapped out. There ARE individuals that will help this or that one out, or some family. The government uses a part of our taxes in this effort. So actually it IS a combined effort of the individuals in this country to help out. I do Not understand those that get so completely flipped out when a very Small part of their income is used to help others out. As with any program of Uncle Samuel’s, there are going to be those that use and abuse the system. Case in Point ?? Our own political body in D.C.

      • keith

        Do you know what a terrible sin it is to put dirty words in Jesus’ mouth. Better be wearing that asbestos underwear sinner!

        • http://ttatg.wordpress.com navyguns

          Dirty words?

      • http://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

        Jesus didn’t make a distinction between personal giving and public policy…use your brain. How is it consistent for a Christian to say that it’s ok for individuals to help the poor, but not society?

        This non-argument of yours has been rebutted very effectively many times over…her’s the most comprehensive I’ve found:

        http://www.right-wing-pseudo-christians.com/matthew-25.htm

      • https://www.facebook.com/greg.price.1654 Greg Price

        “Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar’s…”

        Jesus was explicitly referring to the paying of taxes.

        Furthermore, Christians are required to obey all laws not contrary to the laws of God as passed by government, because God is the ultimate appointer and authority of government.

        And yes, God DID warn us that we would not like the results if we sought for a Government of Man rather than His direct governance:

        1 Samuel 8:1-21

        1 When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel’s leaders.[a] 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not follow his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.

        4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to lead[b] us, such as all the other nations have.”

        6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”

        10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

        19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”

        21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. 22 The Lord answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

  • Bob Cull

    I have long said that there is nothing “Christian” about the “Christian right.” Actually I generally refer to them as the religious WRONG. They are not right about anything, they are just petty bigots whose intolerance is overshadowed only by their greed. They refuse to believe that the majority of public assistance goes to people who are not lazy bums who are unwilling to work. They still believe all of the urban myths about the “welfare queens” coming in to pick up their welfare check in their brand new Cadillac, before stopping off to pick up their lobster and prime rib with their food stamps and eating it in front of their 60 in plasma TV While they watch a movie on HBO. You cannot tell them different. They are just nasty ignorant people and nothing will ever change them, When they get some kind of government benefit they “earned” it when someone else gets it they are leeches picking their pocket. I am agnostic, but I hope that they are right about the religion that they claim to believe in because I know that there will be a special kind of hell set aside just for them.

    • Lisa Irwin

      Amen!

    • https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-KNOW-ME-Gnomies/389561104484054?ref=hl Ghislaine Coulon

      I read all your comments dear Bob and I cannot but agree with you on all of them. You are rather entertaining as well…and their just deserved is called “fortitude”… believe you me you don’t need to be religious for it to work. French living in the UK, I have been comfortable and healthy and now not so much of either and experiencing the same treatment from our politicians on the other side of the big pond, whether right or left there are all wrongens feeding on our flesh like vulchers. I have 3 life long conditions with no cure to date rendering me physically disabled. After 30 years of contribution to the UK economy and hard honest work at the same time as caring for my son who is bipolar and autistic but very intelligent, we have both been put on the compost hip of society and labelled as unemployable. On the poverty line now we are still trying to make a future for ourselves in a self employed venture financed by the sale of our house interior, e.g. anything that is not absolutely essential is going for sale and more. Most of the US poor, victims of bank foreclosures and businesses closing shop don’t want to be in the position they are in, but the banksters and sociopaths that were voted in don’t give a monkey’s bollocks about them and as big and fat roller compressors that they are they spit all this “Stupid Highly Idiotic Tosh” whilst driving over the bones of the poor just to secure their own wealth…

      • Bob Cull

        Thank you for the compliment, Ghislaine, we all appreciate having our ego stroked now and then, it’s part of being human. You have my respect for “soldiering on” when things got tough. I know that the insensitivity of many in government is not limited to the U.S. My sister has lived in Greece for most of her adult life and I don’t have to tell you what things are like there. She does still get her health care but her equivalent of our Social Security which was supposed to have started 3 years ago has not yet come, they keep telling her soon. I’m lucky, I am getting my SS every month and my health is excellent, but I am one catastrophic illness or accident away from financial disaster. I am not a religious person but I like to think of myself as spiritual and caring so while I can’t say my prayers are with you my thoughts will be.

    • http://www.facebook.com/oeaspence Omar Spence

      Re. the “Christian Right” I have been using the term pseudochristian. It is sad that so many see these hypocrites and hear the hatred they spew and their gross disjunction from reality and think that Christianity is really about. Everything the pseudochristian right stands for is counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is this behaviour that has turned so many away from Christ.

      • AATTP

        That’s an apt term for them, indeed!

      • Bob Cull

        You are so right, Omar. I am personally agnostic, I don’t deny the existence of a God, I just can’t say that I have seen any incontovertible proof of it. I am a great admirer of Jesus of Nazareth, he is one of my favorite philosophers and I do try to follow his pilosophy as best I can. I do know many people who are true Christians, they don’t jsut talk the talk, they walk the walk as well. I have a great deal of respect for them and they are in complete agreement with me as to the hypocrisy of so many who claim the title but do nothing to show that they truly are followers of Jesus.

    • http://imahealmyself.wordpress.com imahealmyself

      I love your posts, Bob. And…AMEN! I’m one of those Christian Left people who believes in the words of Jesus. I do not impose my beliefs on others and I respect every person’s beliefs no matter what they are…I do not however respect the actions of hypocrites and liars who are intent on hurting people who are already vulnerable. I love that you find the right words to call them out on their evil hypocrisy.

  • Dottie Thompson

    I agree with everything here; but it looks like you are quoting Isaiah as though it is in the New Testament, rather than the old.

    • Sharon Kettelhut

      The sub-heading clearly says “Old Testament” and quotes Isaiah.

  • http://none.com Jacey

    It’s also a command of God that those who have large fruit and vegetable gardens (i.e. wealthier) shall put aside 10% of their fruits and vegetables for the poor to eat.

    • JOSEPH KING

      JSACEY, HAVING READ THE BIBLE ,NEW AND OLD TESTAMENT COVER TO COVER, I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT COMMANDMENT. WOULD YOU MIND FINDING THE ACTUAL CHAPTER AND VERSE THAT COMMANDS JUST PEOPLE WITH LARGE FRUIT AND VEGETABLE GARDENS TO PUT ASIDE 10 PERCENT FOR THE POOR? I HAVE SEEN HOW A TITHE OF 10 PERCENT WAS TO BE GIVEN TO THE LEVITES, OR THE PRIESTS, WHO USED SOME OF IT FOR ‘BURN OFFERINGS’ UNDER A CERTAIN PROTOCOL, AND WEAR ALLOWED TO EAT WHAT WAS NOT BURNED UP IN THE SACRIFICIAL FIRES. AND I HAVE HEARD THAT SOME PEOPLE ALLOWED THE POOR TO GO OUT INTO THEIR FIELDS AFTER HARVEST TO ‘GLEAN’ OR PICK UP GRAIN THAT WAS LOST, OR MISSED, DURING THE HARVESTING OPERATIONS. IF YOU READ THE BIBLE, YOU WILL SEE THE TITHE WAS ALSO USED, BY THE CHURCH, TO HELP THE POOR. ALSO, IF SOMEONE WAS IN YOUR DEBT, THEY HAD A PROTOCOL WHERE YOU WERE TO ‘FORGIVE’ SUCH DEBTS, INCLUDING THOSE CONCERNING ‘INDETURED’ SERVANTS AND APPRENTICES AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS, 7 IF MEMORY SERVES. AND YES, THE ROMANS, OR ‘CAESAR’ HAD SOME VERY MODEST SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAMS, BUT NOTHING AS EXTENSIVE AS WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS DAY AND AGE, WHERE THOSE SOCIAL WELFARE PROGRAMS MAKE UP THE SINGLE BIGGEST EXPENSE IN THE FED BUDGET, HARDLY LETTING ANYONE ‘STARVE’ TO DEATH. AND IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT CHILDREN NOT STARVING, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE DESTITUTE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF GOV PAID FOR CONTRACTION METHODS SO AS TO NOT BRING CHILDREN INTO THE WORLD JUST TO PROVE THEIR MANHOOD, BUT DISAPPEAR BEFORE THE KID IS BORN. MOST OF US DON’T MIND SEEING PEOPLE GET A HELPING HAND, BUT WHY IS ASKING FOR A LITTLE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND RESTRAINT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

      • keith

        Joseph I just talked to Jesus and said he never heard of you.

      • Jack

        Leviticus 19:9 and 23:22.

        The exact 10% figure is a Talmudic interpretation as to how big a proportion of a field “the corners” should be, and is interpreted by modern conservative and orthodox Jews as enshrining a duty to give 10% of one’s income to charity.

      • Jack

        Also, contrary to what you may have been taught, caps lock is not “cruise control for awesome.”

      • https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-KNOW-ME-Gnomies/389561104484054?ref=hl Ghislaine Coulon

        someone needs to spell ckeck and correct the syntax and possibly some attitude adjustment is in order for good measure Mr high and mighty. You would not be blamed for your parent’s choice to bring you to this world and would certainly resent suffering from such injustice, so don’t be as blinkered as Fincher.

      • Joe Hill

        Check your numbers…you may be interested in knowing that the machinations of the USA’s murder machine outpace SNAP and Welfare spending in general by a longshot (something like 24% to 12%). I do hope that you are equally aggressive in your opposition to handing billions over to military contractors. You may also want to look at the rate at which this country pays for corporate welfare in relation to the pace at which social welfare is funded. Hope you are out there screaming about subsidizing some of the most profitable corporations in the history of humanity! Furthermore, who gives a damn what it says in the little book of hebrew folktales. I really don’t give a shit. Fairy tales are for children, after all. But tools like you will never figure this out; you’re too invested in your own delusions. Nice CAPS MORON.

      • Helen Swan

        So…have you studied the Talmud, oh great one? Those who do & actually believe & practice such radical religious philosophies are some of the most hateful religious extremists to come out of the Jewish traditions. And not just toward women, but toward every other living being outside of thier system of belief. It is good to know the substance of which one speaks before speaking.

    • Richard

      Yeah, that’s what the Churches base their “tithe requirements” on. They have perverted the Word to benefit themselves.

    • Caleb Grunfeld

      Definition of TITHE
      1: a tenth part of something paid as a voluntary contribution or as a tax especially for the support of a religious establishment.

      A few New Testament refs. to “Tithing”…..

      2 Corinthians 9:7 – Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

      Acts 20:35 – I have shewed you all things, how that so laboring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

      Acts 4:34-35 – Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, (35) And laid [them] down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

      There are quite a few that speak of “Tithing” and “Tithes” directly in the NT. It’s not just an Old Testament idea. Lol… I think Acts 4:34-35 is one the Reps either DON’T consider at all, or have a REAL Hard Time rolling around….

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