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Ferguson Cops Busted? New Video Seems to Show Brown Paying for Cigarillos (Video)

Ferguson police’s attempts to demonize Michael Brown, the unarmed African-American teen killed by Officer Darren Wilson, may have hit a small snag. The very video they released at the same time as they identified Wilson as the officer responsible for shooting Brown six times, including twice in the head, may show the opposite of what they intended.

Supposedly, the video shows Brown robbing the store, taking a box of cigars. However, the attorney for Ferguson Market says that it was not anyone from the store that called police to report a robbery. In fact, a customer called to report what he viewed as a robbery.

How, then, did police get the tape? According to St. Louis News, the attorney said, “‘during the course of Ferguson’s investigation, the police department from Ferguson, came to the store and asked for to review the tape.” In other words, the tape was not viewed by police until after Michael Brown was dead in the street.

In their fervent effort to cast Brown in a  negative light, they missed that the video seems to show Brown paying for the Swisher Sweets.

While it is difficult to be 100% certain, the video appears to show Brown purchasing some cigars, but lacking the money for the amount he wished to buy. Brown seems to  purchase some cigarillos, pay for them, attempt to buy more, then replace the ones he could not afford.

The confrontation between Brown and the clerk may have been because Brown impatiently reached across the counter. Perhaps it was wrong for Brown to shove the employee (it is impossible to know what words were exchanged) but this footage seems to exonerate him. It is important to note that Brown only shoved the clerk after he put his hands on him.

In any case, neither the employee nor the store owner called law enforcement–something that would surely happen if Brown committed a “strong-arm robbery.”

At this point, the police portrayal of the video and strategic release have had the desired effect.  Right-wingers have labeled Brown a “thug.” Somehow, those who are determined to hate every African-American murdered by police (or anyone, for that matter) have managed to form an opinion that a simple theft is worthy of a death sentence if one’s skin is not light enough.

The Ku Klux Klan and a growing group of angry white people are raising reward money for the murder of “typical low-IQ Negro” Michael Brown. Wilson is already on course to make tens of thousands of dollars for his deed.

FOX News has jumped on the “thug” train, as well, suggesting that the “robbery” video justifies the murder of Michael Brown, and that he was shot in the head because “bullets go that way.”

We will never truly know the exact circumstances surrounding Brown’s death, as Ferguson police have not bothered to equip their cars with dashboard cameras, but we do know that an independent autopsy performed on Brown’s body has revealed not only that there was no sign of a struggle between Brown and Wilson, but that one bullet entered “back to front,” and the wounds were consistent with Brown having his arms raised in surrender.

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John Prager is an unfortunate Liberal soul who lives uncomfortably in the middle of a Conservative hellscape and likes to refer to himself as an "island of reason in a sea of insanity." While he is not a fan of politicians, period, he has developed a deep-seated hatred for the bigotry, fear mongering, and lies of the Right Wing. John also works as a counselor at one of Barry Soetoro's FEMA re-education camps and as a HAARP weather control coordinator. John's life's aspiration is to rule the world with an iron fist, or find that sock he's been looking for. John can be reached at [email protected] if you have any questions or comments.
  • Perfect Timing

    Because those individuals are not police officers who swore an Oath to protect and serve not Execute the same people who taxes pay their salary.. Nice try though.. I’m sure you’re just as concerned about all the Iraqis losing their lives over greedy rich men who love oil..

    • jsfun

      Perfct timing, great name for someone that responds to a post from 3 months ago………duh

  • Perfect Timing

    It’s not procedure or protocol it’s called safety.. An officer with their weapon already drawn is suppose to figure out the safest way to arrest or apprehend the suspect not murder them.

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  • trebor86

    The store is not required to sell anything to brown if they decided not too. He can’t just take what he wants because he feels he paid. That is robbery.

  • Beechie

    you dumb dummy..this is about folks hired to serve and protect turning around and instead killing and deceiving. Stop being so simple. Chicago is also an issue to be dealt with, but to use that to justify a police officer killing an unarmed teen shows you already have a bias and unfortunately its not a very intelligent one. You should sit this convo out and let progressive thinking intelligent adults looking for real solutions speak. Real talk.

  • Randolph Dew

    I don’t see where there was any exchange of money here.

  • Darren Lipscomb

    I’ve been very reluctant to voice my opinion about this until now. I wish this was just a joke and that you weren’t serious, but you are. You get a video of that store clerk telling us that Mike Brown didn’t rob him, and then I’ll accept what, right now, appears to be a fictional tale.

    In regard to Mike’s life, I wish it didn’t end that day. I wish the altercation between him and Darren Wilson never happened, and that he never charged him, but he did. It all happened minus the conspiracy of a police department trying to cover up an execution.

    Mike made a series of bad decisions that day, and we’re trying to cover for him. Instead, what we need to do is acknowledge that this happened, not out of malice but out of circumstance. While these circumstances have time and time again proven tragic, cyclic, and systemic, we have to take this as an opportunity to break the cycle.
    Instead of finding complacency in anger, we need to step out of our emotions and work with our law enforcement departments to develop better practices (body cameras, more training on tasers, foot patrols, and community involvement to establish rapport) and rally with our neighbors to police our own communities (neighborhood watch, anonymous hotlines, mentorship programs). Regardless of what we do, understand that passing the buck and holding a national temper tantrum isn’t going to do it. Oh right, we’re entitled to our anger, and coming up with the solutions isn’t our job. My bad……when you’re ready to see real change though, let’s talk!

  • Keylah Sykes

    This robbery is obsolete PERIOD Mike was stopped for jay walking. Forget everything else.

  • intelligenceisbeauty

    You mean to tell me as big as Mike was he didn’t beat the be jesus out of wilson????? Do you think if they were really fighting, that the officer would have a mark? Brown was a football player as well, come on, don’t insult the dead. I am sure he would have hurt that man if he fought him, so I guess he didn’t due t lack of evidence on his face

  • intelligenceisbeauty

    And Wilson will live in hell on earth and in the afterlife

  • dalal

    I’m in complete agreement with you. I suppose the saying about those in power abuse it , is very true, especially when it is provoked by rediculous racial ignorance. I’m so proud of how the people have gotten together in standing up against this.It must be a deep , and irreplaceable loss for the family, and many families that have fallen victim to this sort of “legal” murder. I’m so sorry to hear about your experience,as I’m certain it was very difficult. This case no matter how people are attempting to justify it, will always be that someone murdered an individual, and the legal system let that go by. As they have in many cases. Those who claim race isn’t in the equation are living in an obscure and blind reality.

  • Haiku

    “This doesn’t change anything! We’ve already decided it’s perfectly legal to kill unarmed civilians as long as it happens in ‘their’ community and not ‘ours’.”

  • Jane Steranko

    I have worked as a convenience store clerk grave yard shift on the weekends. I never had anyone do this strong arm tactic. I do not believe any strong arming was going on because none of the other customers seem phased by the transaction.

  • Jane Steranko

    Is there some kind of a law about withholding evidence?

  • David Guagliardo

    Anyone ignorant enough trying to claim that crimes that relate to people living in long term poverty, that have high incidents of substance abuse and gangs, resulting in violence…. has anything to do with a cop fabricating a story after abusing his authority and shooting an unarmed teenager down in the street like a dog…… can most likely be considered a racist. ….The only thing common about those 2 types of events that occur in every inner city in America it the fact they involve violence and death….. but not being able to separate and tell the difference and importance of a cop abusing their authority and acting so unprofessional, to the point that their actions escalate a situation where they have to draw their gun and fire on an unarmed teenager, and kill that teenager who is obviously already wounded and surrendering….. and drug related gang violence created by feral children living a lord of the flies existence because abandoned by their addicted substance abusing parents long ago …. well that sort of person like the ones in this tread are racist fools with no critical thinking skills

  • Kenneth Parsons

    Do you have a tape nobody else does that show his arms in the air? I didn’t think so, so stop bullshitting, the kid was a thug and was destined to murder someone some day. The Cop screwed up, he should never have chased him if he feared for his life, he had the kid dead to rights and could have arrested him later.

  • ozzie56

    FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Their inconsistencies began almost immediately after the shooting, from people in the neighborhood, the friend walking with Brown during the encounter and even one woman who authorities suggested probably wasn’t even at the scene at the time.

    Prosecutors exposed these inconsistencies before the jurors, which likely influenced their decision not to indict Wilson in Brown’s death.

    An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong. For one, the autopsies ultimately showed Brown was not struck by any bullets in his back.

    Some witnesses said Michael Brown had been shot in the back. Another said he was face-down on the ground when Officer Darren Wilson “finished him off.” Still others acknowledged changing their stories to fit published details about the autopsy or admitted that they did not see the shooting at all.

    “Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence,” McCulloch said.

  • Harry K James

    This video doesn’t show him paying for anything.

  • Employed101

    Bullchit

  • Alice

    That’s just ridiculous. No-one is saying that petty theft is ok as long as your skin color is light enough! Wtf?? Gotta play that race card I guess…. Wtf ever.
    And also, he wasn’t shot over cigarillos. He was shot because he was fighting for an officer’s gun!! Duuhhh, expect to get shot, regardless your skin color! Stupid race baiters.

  • Xaqshunr

    That’s because those who are associated with white in white crime don’t riot and loot when there is black on white crime.

  • Xaqshunr

    And numerous witnesses kept changing their story. How can you believe his buddy when the story kept changing?

  • Soldier

    Unarmed my ass. When ever you put your hands on someone in a physical manner you can kill a person. Especially a 300 pound fat ass like Mike Brown.

  • GreenMountainWolf

    Hmm yet four days before John Prager posted this s̶t̶o̶r̶y̶, fabrication. Dorian Johnson’s through his attorney admitted to being with Brown and stealing the cigars that day. This issue is bad enough without people trying to muddy it.

  • Toribio Hernandez

    Long live Zimmerman

  • Toribio Hernandez

    Black ppl kill each other all the time. So why different when a white man does it?

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  • Redd_Melendez

    You don’t shoot in the legs if you fear for your life. This would indicate your life was not in danger.

    Why no arrest when Holder is investigating too?

    Is he part of the conspiracy too?

  • Redd_Melendez

    He was not shot for stealing.

    If you can’t understand this basic tid bit, there is no point in trying to explain the law further.

    Zimmerman did not force TM to attack him.

    Nice try!

  • Redd_Melendez

    So unless you have an illegitimate kid, you aren’t qualified to talk about the problems of illegitimacy?

    Yeah it must be the white culture that causes so much black on black crime right?

    • Franklin Radcliff

      When you are a serial rapist I think you lose all credibility on moral issues.

  • Redd_Melendez

    There would be an arrest already if the evidence showed that.

    There is no wall of secrecy here.

    • intelligenceisbeauty

      Let not talk about evidence. How may people are locked up and there was no evidence that tied the person to the case they are locked up for? Many. How many people have been proven to be innocent and still was not let out? Many, an I just got done watching a case on the ID channel. So my faith in the justice is not that great due to facts.

    • intelligenceisbeauty

      Regardless of the fact, police can’t just stop you and demand to see your id, and you have to say yes. You can ask them what is the nature of the stop, and if its not valid, ask are you free to go, if they say no, then you call the police and your attorney. Have got to have a reason to hold someone. They can’t just do it, know your rights in the state you live

      • Redd_Melendez

        I am an Attorney and I know all of that.

        However, jay walking is grounds to detain.

        • intelligenceisbeauty

          Are you serious right now??? The Supreme court is what again? And since when don’t murder cases get turned over to the Supreme court. I don’t know what law degree you have and from where, but you need to get off the internet and start at square one. And furthermore there is a video of a elderly man circulating the web and a cop told someone they were jay walking, why not arrest them. If you are a cop, you are suppose to uphold the law, not pick and choose who you want to arrest. That person jay walking could cause an accident. Came from a law enforcement background, so please spare me the you think you know what you are talking about. At the end of the day no one should be quick to defend anyone that kill someone and they were not being assaulted. If that officer drove on by those group of boys, Mike Brown would still be alive. He made a decision to try and put that tough guy badge out there, and instead of getting a frail scared black guy he got someone that would say, get your hands off me, which you don’t touch someone unless they are under arrest. He didn’t do anything to get arrested. He was being a dickhead cop like too many are that are now being put on blast by cell phone video, body cams, etc. The days of police brutality needed to be over with a long time ago.

          • Redd_Melendez

            You lack comprehension skills.

            First, there are NO federal statutes for murder. Next, the SCOTUS engages in appellate review and does not try cases.

            Absent a trial, we have no errors in law to review.

            Murder cases only make it to the SCOTUS if the trial court erred.

            Get it?

            Next, you don’t arrest people for J walking as its an infraction. You cite them and its the Cops duty to do so. Enforcing the law is not playing tough guy.

            However, expecting the Cop NOT to enforce infractions is downright stupid. You have no proof of anything you speculated on. That was weak Junior as its full of speculation.

            Yeah, a Cop is just supposed to turn a blind eye….

            You also have no proof Brown didn’t refuse to cooperate or that the Cop initiated anything.

            That was weak Chief!

          • SageThinker

            “Absent a trial, we have no errors in law to review.”

            Well we’ll never get to know. No trial.

            “You also have no proof Brown didn’t refuse to cooperate or that the Cop initiated anything.”

            You also have no proof that Brown did refuse to cooperate, or that Brown initiated the violence in the conflict. Johnson’s testimony tells a different story.

          • Paul David Wise

            Actually murder cases do go to the supreme court. You can google them.

  • Redd_Melendez

    My take is that idiots like you will hear and see what they want to. The recent revelations show the Chief lied about FOI requests. This is explained away by the fact the media pressured him to give details before an investigation had been done.

    This does not PROVE the OFFICER who fired the shot lied in any way.

    Why no arrest if it was proven the Cop lied?

    You have DOJ looking over the shoulder of FPD but no arrest.

    Why do you think that is?

  • Redd_Melendez

    Isn’t that reasoning scary stupid?

  • Redd_Melendez

    I am a former DA in CA which has very tough DUI laws and your scenario is false. The GBI makes driving a felony strike but the “Watson Murder Rule” does not apply. The other driver is responsible for a contributory share of the malice if they T Boned you recklessly. The exception to that would be if you pulled out creating an imminent threat and they hit you unable to stop in time.

    Sorry but your claim is fact dependent on how much time the driver who hit you had to stop. If you create the imminent threat by pulling out at the last minute then yes you would be charged but its not because of the alcohol but rather the reckless driving. If the driver is reckless in hitting you you would be charged with felony DUI ALONE.

    Your legal analysis is overly broad.

    So a Cop stopping somebody for J walking is “harassing” them? Can you at least, for the sake of discussion, try to hide your bias? Your standards are not recognized in any state. What was he doing there in the first place? Brown was never detained so your question is moot as the Cop has both a right to be there and the right to openly talk to pedestrians and most certainly J walkers.He does not need any evidence J walking would cause injury because its already against the law.

    Obviously, by your made up legal terms, you are not interested in a discussion on the legal merits but are trying to prove the Cop guilty by your made up standards designed to find guilt.

    Your post is not credible enough for me to continue with this discussion.

  • Redd_Melendez

    You can’t be serious?

    Just stop OK?

  • Eruanion Nolaquen

    Because, a week before he went to Missouri, Al Sharpton WAS in Chicago to talk to people about the gun violence there. Additionally, most of those shootings are citizens shooting citizens, not police shooting unarmed people, then acting like they are heroes for it.

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  • Dez

    Racists like you tend to deny reality.

  • Dez

    Sure. Still don’t care what a racist thinks.

  • Dez

    Don’t care what a racist thinks.

  • cheongyei

    “Seems to show”
    LOL
    So why was he pushing the clerk around?

  • Dez

    LOL. You care about stats when you just denied there is systemic killings of black men. Sorry I don’t take anyone that delusional to think that white men are gunned down at the same rate as black men. You are a sorry excuse of an apologist for killing black men.

  • Dez

    Never said they didn’t.’t Apparently you need reading comprehension or are in full denial that there is systemic killings of black men from the cops. LOL. Of course it’s the medias fault for highlighting another black man being gunned down by the cops. Damn them!! When white guys are gunned at the rates of black men from the cops then you would have an argument, but you are just another apologist for killings of black men. I’m done with your sorry behind.

  • Dez

    Don’t know if you are white, but it does not make a difference your race if you hold racist beliefs. It’s only meaningless to those who usually are the perpetrators of it. Stop doing it if you don’t like being accused of it.

  • pc25

    All well and good, except Johnson admitted they ripped off the store.

  • Derp

    Wow, you’re one ignorant piece of crap. Does it matter what you stole? In a court of law you can go to jail just as fast stealing a candy bar as you would a TV. Then if you’re foolish enough to do that. struggle with a clerk then clearly turn around and come after him a second time it’s quite possible that action continued just minutes later down the street.

    How stupid and foolish will you feel if evidence comes out that everything said against him is 100% true and he did attack the cop and did come back to attack him a second time warranting the shooting.

    Pull it out of your ass. I am speaking of your BRAIN.

  • Dez

    We have plenty of evidence but racists like you always use this argument to justify killing black men. Of course to you blacks had to do something to justify being murdered and could not possibly be a long history of police discriminating against. You would have a real argument if white men are being systematically gunned down in the streets, but they aren’t. Racists love to use that particular argument also so it seems acceptable to racially profile and execute black men.

  • caleejr

    that explains the “Be on the Look out” in regards to a strong armed robbery?
    because he PAID for them – he somehow had the cops called because he Didn’t Steal …makes complete sense

  • willie

    It doesn’t matter what you think his life is worth, it only matters what he thinks his life is worth. Brown thought he’d go ‘gangsta’ on this little Asian man and his ego/attitude carried over into his confrontation with the hero, Officer Wilson.

    This thug is gone, while it’s a shame this young man chose to become what he was, it’s not a shame that another entitlement leeching monkey is off the taxpayer teet.

  • theUglyTruth

    This is what paying for cigarillos looks like:

  • theUglyTruth

    yeah all he did was steal a pack of cigarettes. Officer Wilson’s eye socket collapsed itself.

  • Bruce

    Sorry, at what point in this video does it show him paying for the cigars? This has nothing to do with the shooting, but I thought this video showed him paying for cigars?

  • BigTime_TJ

    Most of the news reports mentioned that he returned to the store a second time to rob the owners. You conveniently omitted that newsworthy information in order to feed the hatred.

  • JoseCuervo

    The guy was not white… stop pulling at straws. Muslims/Arabs are white too by your Census definition.

  • TBone

    Hum .. where is the part in the video I saw in another posting .. where Brown shoves the store clerk? I guess everyone does that when they pay for things? LOL

  • JoseCuervo

    Because white folks only Riot when they win a Super bowl or a World Series.. don’t you know this? By the way , that guy was not white.

    youtube.c o m/watch?v=YEqwt81wiN4
    youtube.c o m/watch?v=Nt2Fb8JPCXM
    youtube.c om/watch?v=PbjTQUcc8M4

  • Love

    Nothing…white people are dramatic racist (sarcasm) as of now, most people think the store called the cops after a strong armed robbery because that’s the only part that’s been put out there so far

  • Love

    A whole idiot just wrote a paragraph about being a racist and the 15 people who like it are the same one screaming racism isn’t alive

  • Love

    You mean this story?

    www(dot)addictinginfo(dot)org/2014/08/24/right-wing-spreads-despicable-lie-about-shooting-victim-in-order-to-support-their-race-hate/

    The “white-man” was a latino. Family claimed he was shot after being racially profiled and no one knows if it was a black man that did the shooting.

  • Love

    “Moral superiority”..you call not shooting an unarmed kid who has his hands up surrendering “moral superiority” lol You guys are pathetic and stupid, that’s all. Nothing we’re saying here reaches “moral superiority”

  • Love

    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Love

    they admitted their child wasn’t innocent..but he never robbed a store..well at least the store owner never called the police claiming he did..and what did that other incident have to do with this mike brown..so because two black young males murder a white female a distance away means that mike brown must have robbed a store and rushed a cop? Is this the logic you’re running on? LMFAO Okay so what about the cop that framed a black man and that was caught on tape? Or the other one that tried to leave drugs in one black man store but got caught on tape as well? Is wilson as guilty as those cops…idiot?

  • Love

    so you’re trying to tell me that brown was willing to die for some 3 dollar cigarillos?

  • Love

    “threaten police”..you mean the same police that pointed a rifle at a reporter doing his job and told him that if he came closer he would kill him? Or are you talking about the swat team pointing rifles at unarmed/unprotected protestors?

  • Love

    Alright Billy, it’s 8oclock and your mommy is calling, time for bed. “yo brain ain’t working”…do hillbilly brain like yours ever work though?

  • Love

    There was nothing reported by the owner. Are you guys retarded or just set on making this kid a criminal when you have no proof. The OWNER NEVER SAID he called the police. lol

  • Love

    “public scene” my ass. There was no one on that road but these two boys until the officer came up. Maybe if they’re had been more people those officer would known to act more civil instead of a borned killers. And just know that this (shoot any and everyone like you’re at target practice) applies to white people too. Where is that guy that shot the white guy in the face when he wouldn’t stop texting in the movie because he felt threaten by popcorn when you need him?

  • 1Gandydancer

    “… the video appears to show Brown purchasing some cigars, but lacking the money for the amount he wished to buy. Brown seems to purchase some cigarillos, pay for them, attempt to buy more, then replace the ones he could not afford.”

    Who should I believe — you or my lying eyes? Brown spills the display box on the floor, picks up some random number of them (two handfuls) and immediately walks away. Paying for them doesn’t happen. Plus his friend Johnson’s lawyer says Johnson admits the theft took place. What’s the color of the sky on -your- world?

  • Redd_Melendez

    He rips others for not being there but he knows the Cop was not in fear.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    • Love

      And you’re positive the cop was….but I mean, who could be in more fear…a cop with a bullet proof vest on wielding a gun..or a young unarmed teen…lets see who the cowardly racist picks….

  • Redd_Melendez

    The video does not show him paying.

    • Love

      And what you wrote proves exactly why people believe that Wilson MURDERED Brown. White people think they can do anything in this country can get away with it. “the rule of law” lmfao…wilson isn’t free yet and more of you’s are dying by your own hand and getting away with it. So tell me when two white people kill each other “who’s rule of law is it?”

  • Redd_Melendez

    6 shots WHILE SURRENDERING?

    LMFAO!

    You are an idiot!

  • Redd_Melendez

    Whether the LEO knew about the robbery is a straw man argument that is irrelevant in proving murder, manslaughter, or recklessness.

    All that matters is whether he feared for his life when he fired the weapon.

    The number of shots is another straw man as it is also irrelevant to guilt or innocence in a self defense case. The law permits you to use deadly force if you are in REASONABLE fear for your life which means you can shoot until the attacker is dead.

    These are just weak straw man arguments that an investigation will not factor in as they are irrelevant even if true.

    • Love

      But how could he fear for his life when the kid was a distance away? SO far their has been NO evidence corroborating your story that wilson and this teen had a close up confrontation. They’re have been just 2- 3 witness account that I’ve seen so far stating that he rushed the cop..while many more stated that he had his hands up and was a distance away when he got shot.

  • Redd_Melendez

    Cite your expertise in this matter.

    The things you mentioned happen all the time.Ever seen America’s dumbest criminals? Yeah, nobody does stupid things.

    Criminals are stupid by their very nature.

  • Redd_Melendez

    I saw the video and it proves no such thing.

  • Redd_Melendez

    I have prosecuted thousands of white kids for similar crimes in LA County. If you were to take this idiots logic to the extreme, we might as well criminalize law enforcement altogether.

    Any idiot can 2nd guess a Cop who feels threatened by the idiots who take it upon themselves to challenge their authority.

    If Brown had no reason to be worried, he would not have responded like he did.

    Why didn’t Brown just cooperate if he had nothing to worry about?

    He knew he had been caught.

    • Love

      He put his hands up…what more could one do to show they were willing to cooperate?

  • Redd_Melendez

    Customers are free to report crimes the Owner does not see.

    • C Atkins

      the owner who many here claimed was robbed did not see he was robbed???????????? lol now you are really reaching desperate to find michael brown guilty

      • Redd_Melendez

        Brown guilty?

        Wilson is the one facing the music.

        Whether Brown was guilty is irrelevant now.

        The only question remaining is whether Wilson was in fear for his life when he fired. The only desperate one here is you because you failed to provide evidence or point to anything that indicates Wilson was not in fear for his life.

        Instead you set up a weak straw man argument that changes the subject.

        The events in the store are irrelevant to the question the Cops are investigating which is whether Wilson had a reasonable fear for his life WHEN HE FIRED! The Cops investigation is centered on the shooting and not the alleged theft.

        You can’t address this so you change the subject.

        Whether he stole the cigars is not relevant to whether Wilson was in fear for his life when he fired.

        Your response was both weak and desperate as it does not prove the Officers guilt.

  • Redd_Melendez

    The autopsy was pretty clear and it blew away the conclusions of the amateur “Doctor” the family hired to distort the facts.

    The video of the robbery shows the state of mind of Brown.

    That is not consistent with a man who would surrender and the witnesses seal the deal for me.

    We know enough to see the Cop was not in an aggressive state of mind leading up to the shooting.

  • RobS

    The police broadcast a radio report, describing the robbery and the perps. So SOMEBODY reported it. Wilson’s partner stated they heard the report and realized Brown matched the description, and was carrying a box. That is when the altercation occurred.

    • Love

      That’s what the murder suspects says…but won’t they say anything to cover their ass. If all this is true..why not report this to the reporters right way…why wait several days later to report it?

      • RobS

        If they said there was a broadcast police report of the robbery, and there is no record of that broadcast then they have a problem. According to the Aug 15 Washington Post, the police have released the records of a 911 call and the dispatch records pertaining to the call. You can read the report of the robbery in the Washington Post.

        So, does that change anything in your mind? Do you ask why so many people still assert that there never was a report of the robbery, almost two weeks after the report was published in the national media?

  • Redd_Melendez

    Numerous eye witnesses?

  • Redd_Melendez

    He was not shot because he stole. He was shot because he attacked a Cop. Stupidity runs deep in some people.

    Try thinking with your brain and not your heart.

    • Love

      and what evidence do you have but 2-3 eye witness account…one being wilson…joise (I don’t even think she was there)……and some guy that was mumbling off tape who has never come forward to confirm his story.

      • Redd_Melendez

        Only 2- other witnesses?

        Absent solid evidence the Cop “executed” this guy, there is reasonable doubt.

        Instead of asking what evidence I have to prove innocence, why don’t you tell me what evidence you have that proves Wilson’s guilt?

        You have it backwards in your zeal to get the outcome you want.

        How UN AMERICAN!

        You can’t show evidence of Wilson’s guilt so you ask me to prove his innocence.

        Weak!.

  • Redd_Melendez

    I must be blind because I didn’t see him pay for anything in this video.

  • jsfun

    he was killed because he attacked the cop stupid ass. you don’t know his arms were up in the air and there was no talk of cigarettes you stupid heartless scab off a maggots ass

    • Love

      but were is your evidence…since the the fact that brown was shot a distance away means nothing to you

  • smb11

    The story about his orbital bone has been proven to be a hoax. Jim Hoft used a stock CT scan from University of Iowa.

  • smb11

    The broken eye socket story by Jim Hoft have already been debunked. The CT scan used to prove the brown eye socket was a stock scan from the University of Iowa.

    • Conservative Mark

      About half of all the news on the web says it is true and about as many say it is now a hoax. You really know nothing more than I do. The truth will come out during the investigation. What we do know as truth is the officer was hospitalized and his chief said he was, “Beaten up pretty bad and had a swollen face.”

  • RobS

    John, there are a lot of uncertainties as to what happened, but why add to them? There is no published report about a “back to front” gun wound. You made that up.

    • smb11

      The private autopsy talked about a back to front wound. I think it was the shot received to the top of his head while Michael Brown was going to his knees.

      • RobS

        It must have been a very private autopsy, which you had exclusive access to, as the autopsy reports discussed in the newspapers and on TV explicitly state that there is no evidence that Brown was shot from behind. They explicitly stated that he was shot in his forehead, not the top of his head. Look at the drawings.

        • 1Gandydancer

          He was shot in the eye and in the vicinity of his hairline. Plus four shots in the right arm, ONE of which the private autopsy said MIGHT have been from the back. They said the hairline shot emerged from his face, but the drawings I’ve seen only show the eyesocket wound.

      • RobS

        Now the NYT also writes that Wilson received head injuries when Brown tussled with him while Wilson was in the police car. Any convoluted explanations for that?

  • Binky

    YOU are part of “the problem”. Seriously.

    How’s your new account working for you?

    • C Atkins

      racists who attempt to justify police wrongdoing because they think that it is ok cos it is only happening to blacks are the problem.

      • Redd_Melendez

        Not everybody is “justifying” the Cops act.

        Some are saying there is not enough evidence of malice in the shooting to charge a crime.

  • William Clark

    C Atkins, so are you dismissing the video taken at the scene shortly after the shooting in which an eye witness specifically states ”
    Then the next thing I know he comin back toward him cus – the police had his gun drawn already on him –”
    Just because he had his hands raised doesn’t necessarily mean he was surrendering. Witnesses are not always reliable.And yes we do care and we want to know the truth. The actual truth not what someone wants the truth to be.

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  • Fluerdelis

    Officer Wilson is obviously a coward and a threat to the people of Ferguson…I’m sure that all kinds of unsavory things will come out about him during his trial.

  • Fluerdelis

    Officer Wilson has just gone through a divorce…I wonder if his ex-wife left him for an African American…That WOULD explain his apparent disdain for them…

  • DustyOnesIsBack

    Sure doesn’t look like he paid for anything. He stole the cigars. How can your mind be so warped, as John Prager, to think or spin this into anything else?

  • Nolan Fergus

    Trot out the lame stuff about Chicago. None of you poser patriots ever gave a poo about Chicago before Obama.

    • jsfun

      Your right I don’t give a rats ass about Chicago and either do you either does Obama or jesse al any of the other opportunists that are making millions off of suckers like you. I’m from Detroit I want Detroit to hang on to murder capital of America title it’s something we can all be proud of here.
      Have a nice day making excuses for your racism and lack of empathy for those you claim as your brothers. Man with friends like you

      • Perfect Timing

        Knock it off trying to compare Gang violence to Abuse of Authority and blatant corruption within our police force.. This isn’t even a race issue.. Stop being ignorant. This is a POLICE VS CIVILIANS issue

    • Redd_Melendez

      Answer the question.

  • C Atkins

    Miccheal Bates is a human being who ran away when the police fired a gun in the car he did not run towards an armed police man and there are witnesses who confirm it

  • smb11

    Actually, someone who feels morally superior is less likely to be a good cop.

    What in my posts makes you think I hate cops? What in my posts makes you think I view myself as morally superior?

  • smb11

    On the street interviews with residents talked about Ferguson police history of abuse. One interview brought up a case where police fired 20 shots into a car with unarmed men inside. DA McCulloch(?) refused to file charges.

    The actions being taken in the Brown killing are not typical.

    1). There is still no incident report. Usually, an officer files an incident report immediately after a shooting.
    2). The body was left uncovered on the street for 4 hours.
    3). Dispatch had to learn about the shooing from the news. The call that came in was for a request for crowd control, not reporting a shooting.
    4). Dispatch called Ferguson PD about the reported shooting on the news. FergusonPD said the didn’t know anything about it.

  • smb11

    I love good cops. Bad cops should face the music. Good cops shouldn’t try to cover up for bad cops. It breaks down trust between the police and the public. If the police have the trust of the people they are supposed to serve, it would make their job a whole lot easier and safer.

  • smb11

    A lot of funding for public operations comes from federal grants. A grant application could have been made. Also, if government at the state level made it a priority for all officers to be equipped with dash cams and body cameras, state programs could have funded the acquisition. Money was found for military equipment. Money should have been sought for outfitting all squared cars and officers with cameras. It would protect both officers and the public.

  • Binky

    Brown and Johnson had just robbed a store and physically assaulted the store owner. They were walking down the middle of a main highway through town. It is a Class C misdemeanor in Missouri to walk in the roads when there is a sidewalk. A fine of $175 can be imposed. The officer merely told them to get off the street and they refused. At that same moment, the radio call about the robbery & a description of the 2 men came in to Officer Wilson’s squad car. The rest is history.

    • Love

      liar..there have been no reports that any description of the two men came into officer wilson’s squad car…and from dorian accounts..they never “refused” they simply said they’re house was right around the corner

  • Binky

    It was not a minor, petty theft until he physically assaulted the Asian store owner. It’s all on tape. Not only did Brown do it once, he came back to assault him again before he finally left the store. And then less than 10 minutes later, he did the same thing to the police officer. When you play with fire, you are going to get burned, eventually.

    According to Missouri law, the assault raised the charge to a felony with a sentence of 5 years to life. What don’t you understand about that. Educate yourself about the laws in your state and community.

    Using such offensive language in your posts reduces your claims to a false diatribe as much as the claims themselves do. You and people like you are part of the problem in the black community. Get out of the “denial” mode and open your eyes to what is happening.

    The law is not about “getting a heart” or “compassion”. It’s about community order and safety for all.

    If a white, yellow or red man charged at an officer after robbing and assaulting a store clerk – and then attacked the police officer who was going after him, they are going to get shot to death.

    Brown’s companion, Darian Johnson did all the right things. He put the cigars that Brown gave him to carry, back on the store counter. When stopped by the officer, he did not mouth off. When Brown shoved the officer back in the car and the first shot was fired, Darian took off to hide behind a car. Darian told the truth in the first interview (but he somehow forgot to mention the assault and robbery), but after a hot-shot lawyer got hold of him, he is now lying about what happened.

    • Love

      You have no evidence he did anything “ten minutes later” lol but go ahead what else did you dream up last night?

      • Binky

        So, it never occurred to you that a time-frame was created by the security video tape, the call to 911, the dispatch call to all officers in the area and the calculated amount of time it would take for a man to walk from the store to the spot where they were stopped for jay-walking? Of course it would not have occurred to you. That requires an ability for “logical” and knowledgeable thinking – and completing high school mathematics.

  • Carolyn Gray

    who says he/she doesn’t (give an f?) about them?

  • jsfun

    amen SMH OH wait do we really want these racist clowns as cops NOOOOOOOOOOO

    • BertsWill

      You’ve got that backwards.

      Police departments intentionally don’t hire smart people, if your IQ is too high you’re unqualified. Google it, it’s true. Add to that, science has proven lower IQ people gravitate toward conservative beliefs including racism.

      Before some troll claims the liberals are the racists, remember what conservatism means. And just look at the states, the redder the state the more racist their laws are.

      But the most devout conservatives will still use Lincoln to argue since he freed the slaves. I say devout because they have the lowest IQs of all, with no knowledge Dixiecrats or the conversion.

  • jsfun

    you know this all could have been avoided if the store clerk had shot his ass dead

    • Love

      why, so he could be sent to jail for shooting an innocent kid? Sorry he’s not a cold hearted monster like you racist.

  • jsfun

    well if you don’t want to take whites crap you can stop taking whites money to

    • Love

      what money?…you mean the money that more white people take from the government that black people pay into too? lmfao

  • jsfun

    your obviously insane and a racist

  • oaksavanna

    Don’t you realize the two have nothing to do with each other?

    • jsfun

      nothing to do with each other WHEW that’s a relief now you don’t have to wonder why nothings being done about the black homicide rate until some white cop takes someone down then all of a sudden it’s something to be concerned about.
      Well the protests in Ferguson have run their course all quiet now maybe a black will get killed by a white again in a couple years for you all to rally around. In the mean time over a 1000 blacks will have been killed on America’s streets without you or anyone else doing anything about it or giving a dam about it and if anyone brings it up you’ll argue. That doesn’t have anything to do with what’s going on.
      Try to keep a running body count, it won’t be easy but try then you can add them all up add up all the murders that didn’t matter to you up until the next Ferguson.
      Have a nice day hater

      • BonoboMan

        Why do you hate black people?

        • jsfun

          I don’t hate anybody never ssaid anything that would be hateful or revel hate. Your the hater booboo your the racist booboo because you can’t think for yourself.
          honesty try it sometime you might like it

        • Redd_Melendez

          Thats the best you can come up with?

          • BonoboMan

            You mean as far as questions go? Yeah, that all I wanted to know.

            It wasn’t an argument, it was a question. I guess I could waste my time and just argue with anyone who posts stupid stuff.

            Or were you expecting me to cast insults toward every troll looking for a fight. I could start with you since you’re a Raiders fan and used to losing.

            How’s that? Better?

          • Redd_Melendez

            No I was expecting you to provide evidence the LEO was NOT in fear for his life when he fired.

            That is all that is relevant.

            Your side show comments don’t prove the LEO had no reason to fear for his life.

            Since you can’t prove the only relevant question, you create a diversionary side show to distort the issue.

            That is all you did.

          • BonoboMan

            Seriously?

            I’m pretty sure when someone takes another person’s life, the burden falls on the killer to prove they were in fear, not the other way around. And you ask me to prove I know what was going through Wilson’s mind when he killed Brown. Why don’t you prove Brown had to die. Go on, prove it.

            Brown was unarmed and the fatal shot was taken at distance. Witnesses say his hands were raised and the officer kept shooting, the autopsies even suggest the wounds are consistent with his arms being up when shot.

            Makes me wonder why people like you feel so strongly that Wilson was justified in the face of all the mounting evidence. I know why and so do you. You know what you are, I don’t need to say it.

          • Redd_Melendez

            I almost stopped reading after the first line.

            The burden is on the prosecution to show malice.

            How did the Cop know he was unarmed?

            I am not STRONGLY SUPPORTING the Cop. I am saying there is no evidence of malice. I don’t know any of the parties and have no stake in this. If there was evidence the Cop executed this guy I would be supporting the other side. Whats funny is that while you claim I am on the Cops side here, another article I responded to (the one where the Cop pointed his weapon at the crowd threatening to kill them), the posters in there are calling me ANTI COP. In that case, the Cop was CLEARLY out of line so I stated he needed to be charged with a crime.

            I go where the evidence goes and there is no evidence the Cop murdered this kid.

            You need to show me evidence the Cop WAS NOT in fear and had no reasonable grounds to believe he was.

            Quit putting the burden on the Defendant.

            There is no MOUNTING EVIDENCE in this case.

            The evidence being used to justify a charge by your ilk is all based on the claim the Cop knew the guy was unarmed.

            How did the Cop know?

            You don’t have to wait until you are beaten badly to shoot.

            The standards you are using are not recognized under any law because they are meant to find guilt.

            In the other case, the Cop needed to be charged.

            In this case so far there is reasonable doubt.

          • intelligenceisbeauty

            I think the point is why is a cop shooting a teen that he is telling to get out of a neighborhood street. What teen didn’t walk down the street where they lived.

          • Redd_Melendez

            The MIDDLE of the street.

          • Redd_Melendez

            If the evidence shows Brown was shot for merely “walking down the street” then Holder will have all he needs to file federal charges on civil rights grounds.

            Why no arrest?

            A huge hole in your claim.

          • intelligenceisbeauty

            They are trying to let the state do what the need to first, then federal is going to come behind them. You normally don’t see federal charges before state has made a decision as to what is going to happen.

          • Redd_Melendez

            There is no such thing as federal charges for murder.

            Therefore, if no state charges are filed, there will be none at all.

          • BonoboMan

            And I realized you had no clue by your second sentence.

            Bottom line is, as the evidence pours in that proves his arms were raised, that he was clearly unarmed and was trying to flee not combat, people like you will disappear and find some other BS to champion.

            I just go where the evidence is, even if it goes against my personal beliefs. Try it.

            What’s funny is, the evidence points to you being a clear advocate for aggressive police practices. But you’re probably not a racist.

          • Redd_Melendez

            The problem is that you ignore the law in deciding what is “evidence”.

            Novices should stay out of conversations in which they know nothing about.

            The Cop who pointed his weapon at the reporter should have been charged.

            The difference was one faced NO THREAT WHATSOEVER and the Cop here did.

            I don’t support illegal Police work but theres nothing to suggest this Cop was in the wrong.

            Eric Holder must also support it because he is in town and there has been no arrest.

            Lame!

          • BonoboMan

            I agree, you should stay out of the conversation because you you don’t understand laws or common sense and basically are a novice at life.

            You also choose to turn a blind eye to evidence, then try to present yourself as an authority.

            No matter how much you try to spin it, the truth is Wilson shot an unarmed man. And just because you frighten easily didn’t justify Wilson using “I was scared” as an excuse to permanently end a life.

            And legally, if a killer claims that they were motivated by fear, they (the defense) must prove that they were afraid, not the other way around. That you claim otherwise shows you’re either very ignorant or a lying propagandist.

            Either way, you’re a waste of my time.

          • Eruanion Nolaquen

            Fine. How do we know he WAS fearing for his life? All we have is his story against that of several witnesses. Of course, none of the witnesses is “reliable” because they are all from a black neighborhood. We have not yet seen pictures of the damage done to the officers face , something even Zimmerman made sure to put up, to garner sympathy. Then there is the fact, yes FACT, that the officer drove himself away from the scene, in the car that should have been secured as evidence, when only one other officer had arrived. This means any evidence on the car, like fingerprints and DNA are inadmissible, because they were not processed at the scene. There is also the inadmissibility of the purported injuries to the officer, since he was not checked at the scene by a medical professional. Sorry, but , how do we know the extent of the injuries if he drove himself to the hospital? If it was not established at the scene, with a record written by someone who is a medical professional, like an EMT, then we have no proof the injuries existed prior to his leaving. There was a medical professional AT the scene, one of the witnesses was a nurse. She did not examine the officer, nor was she allowed to see if the other person was treatable. Just the things I have put in here, make the officer guilty of several crimes, none of them the actual shooting. Your turn, defend the officer now.

          • Redd_Melendez

            First I want to blow up your straw man argument that its the Cops word v. the witnesses as there are a dozen witnesses that back the Cops story. The reason the witnesses are not reliable is because they contradict the others. Fingerprints etc are not how this case is proven. It is about forensic evidence.

            None of what you write proves the Officer was not in fear.

            BTW, its not up to me to defend the Officer but for the Police to prove he was not. I am not looking for an outcome like you are but rather following the evidence which provides reasonable doubt. The lack of photos proves nothing either as you don’t have to wait until you are beaten up to use deadly force.

            The photos prove nothing as the lack of injuries does not prove he knew the guy was not armed when he fired.

            Proof of injuries is not required to use deadly force.

            I am glad your unqualified opinion has proven guilt here but courts don’t recognize your speculation as evidence.

            None of that proves the Officer was not in fear.

            I don’t have to prove he was as the burden is on you.

          • Eruanion Nolaquen

            Since you know little about my qualifications on this, your statement about them is facetious. Show me where the “dozens of witnesses back the cops story” , please, as all I have heard of to back him are character witnesses who claim he is not the type to do that. Most of them, like the ones who say Brown had his hands up, should be considered unreliable as they are personal friends or relations of his, which is why many people say Browns witnesses are unreliable. Claiming someone is unreliable because their story contradicts another’s is foolish, especially in this case, where we have yet to see which side is being truthful.
            Oddly enough, the chain of evidence IS important here, as it is the vehicle that was the main piece of evidence. Additionally, if the officers injuries were as bad as reported by some news outlets, he should not have been allowed to drive. Generally, ANY head injury gets you out of the drivers seat until you have been cleared by medical personnel. Additionally, his gun should have been secured as evidence as well, because, had Brown grabbed for it, they might have found at least a partial print on it, or far enough into the car to prove the officer’s story.
            Your apparent lack of understanding about my prior post is obvious.
            I asked where the photos were because it is usually one of the tactics used to garner sympathy for the survivor of these type of incidents. The reason for being checked at the scene is also because , EVIDENCE. Can he prove any injuries were inflicted at the scene? Might he have stopped, on his way away from the scene to inflict some? By your post, you are less qualified than I to discuss any details off this case, and if you are qualified, you need to go back and relearn quite a bit.
            Oh, and new witnesses who say he had his hands up, and the officer never tried to take him into custody have now come forward. So, thank you for playing, there are no consolation prizes.

          • Redd_Melendez

            You have not been paying attention as witnesses came forward who saw the shooting. They contradict Browns buddy who we now know was involved in the store incident. Bogus witnesses routinely come forward in cases like these. In the end, the credibility of the witnesses is dependent on being consistent with the forensic and autopsy reports.

            Next, you don’t know your questions are not being investigated. In the end, witness testimony is the least reliable evidence. If you were qualified like you are inferring you are, you would know that. The fact he drove himself means nothing at all as the serious injury requirement is not an element to self defense.

            Are you implying he inflicted the wounds on himself after the fact?

            Injuries that would be consistent with the investigation?

            You have no evidence investigators have not reviewed any possible injuries either.

            Lots of holes in your amateur opinion.

            I may not know your qualifications but I can see you are not up to snuff on the relevant legal questions.

            That is clear.

          • Eruanion Nolaquen

            Didn’t the store owner also come forward and dismiss the incident at the store as not being a theft? Didn’t they also find no incident of anyone calling it in to police as well?
            As for your allegations that I am providing an amateur opinion, have you never heard of “chain of custody” for evidence? Since both the injury and the vehicle could be considered evidence to support the officers version of events, they should have been handled that way. As for all these witnesses that came forward, I have seen the same number on the other side, coming forward to say what they saw and heard, yet they are described as “unreliable” for one reason or another. As for the “dozens” of witnesses who corroborated the officers version. As i recall, (and is confirmed when I looked it up) That was a statement by a reporter on what the local PD had said. The only account that seems available to support the officers statements is from someone who describes themselves as “his friend”. Meanwhile, two workers from a different area of St. Louis have both described what they saw, which supports the story of those who say Brown was surrendering.
            Lets see, can someone create injuries to support their version of events when they claim someone pushed a car door into them, or struck them……yes, easily, which is why the vehicle should have been secured as evidence.
            I love how you tell me that witness testimony is useless, but then tell me numerous witnesses support the officer. Better work harder at getting your own story straight.

          • Redd_Melendez

            I can see you are not qualified to talk law.

          • Eruanion Nolaquen

            I have been thinking about how best to reply to this, and I realized, this is a non argument on your part. Instead of using your DA or Prosecutor skills ( based on what you said in another post) to argue my points, you resort to questioning my ability and / or knowledge. Why hasn’t there been an arrest? in part because they didn’t take him into custody at the time, so now a grand jury needs to review all evidence to determine whether they should press charges. It is similar to the Zimmerman case. he wasn’t taken into police custody, just questioned, and sent on his way. Why don’t you, with all your legal knowledge and wisdom, explain to us why there was no arrest, and why everything we have heard or said is wrong? I mean, I can understand physics, and spot a mistake or untrue claim in that field, I should be able to follow along with anything you might say.

          • intelligenceisbeauty

            Cop hit each other all the time to create evidence that they were assaulted, yes I have proof of that. The person who I know, knows this is no longer a cop due to corruption within the force.

          • Redd_Melendez

            The burden of proof is on the DA to show he had no basis for self defense. The Defendant has no burden to show he was.

      • Redd_Melendez

        That was an intellectual smack down

      • dalal

        I think you’re failing to understand that the rally’s are a response to a long oppression and violence of African Americans in the United States. These rally’s are to do with the injustice of a young man losing his life so violently,but they also stand for those 1000 blacks you mentioned.If there isn’t a stance about this, if there isn’t a way to make people understand that EVERY humans life is worth it, then yes, those who are oppressed will continue to lose their lives, and there will be much more than 1000 deaths accountable to this injustice.

        • dalal

          This also goes for any life taken unjustly, regardless of color.

          • Redd_Melendez

            There is no evidence of injustice here.

          • dalal

            Then please tell me what there is evidence of? Justice?

            Go on and describe what happened in this situation , now you either seem to ignorant to the matter or you feel that stating it was not unjust adds to some idea you have.
            Please explain to me how you gave reached this conclusion . I’m interested to know.

          • Redd_Melendez

            I am using the standards required to prove guilt and nothing else.

            I don’t have to tell you what happened. The fact there is doubt swings in the LEO’s favor. I reached the conclusion that there is reasonable doubt not that the Cop was in fear for his life.

            You need to show he was not.

            I am using standards I used as both a DA and a Judge.

            You are asking me to reach a conclusion as to what happened. I came to the conclusion there is reasonable doubt as to what happened.

            You don’t understand how justice works do you?

            I don’t inject bias to reach a conclusion like you do.

          • dalal

            I did not reach a bias conclusion, nor did I state that the officer was guilty. That is yet to be proven.

            I was simply speaking in the general term of humanity. There is a just way that a human dies, and unjust way. Being shot repeatedly, even if it were over cigarillos or even if he was indeed a threat to the officer, then as an officer he has been trained in a multitude of ways to deal with such a circumstance. Especially if the individual on the other side of the law is unarmed.

            Now to educate you on how something can be unjust despite its root problem you see. For example lets take 9/11.Many lives were lost unjustly and all of humanity can attest to that. But on the other coin of that, it was caused by a country that has long been under military intervention by the US, and a long history at that, and yet in no way or form does it justify the action of 9/11. Understand now?

          • Redd_Melendez

            Tell me how the Cop knew he was unarmed.

            Explain that first.

            Yes Cops are trained in a multitude of ways and deadly force is the last resort. If the LEO is in fear for his life he is within his rights to use deadly force.What evidence do you have that he did not, or had the opportunity to deal with it any other way? You use deadly force because you fear for your life. I just love how you second guess a guy who may have feared for his life and declare his actions inhumane.

            That is as bias as one can get as it draws a conclusion the Cop had other options and murdered this guy instead.

            Yeah, thats not bias….of course not.

            As for 9/11? You say it does not justify the events and then make a comparison that justifies it.

            The Cop didn’t have the luxury of living in your fantasy world.

            There is not enough to convict which is why no charges have been filed.

          • dalal

            In all honesty it seems redundant to speak to you. The evidence that he was unarmed was brought from numerous witnesses as well as all the other factors such as the body search afterwards. The investigation also concluded that he was in a not threatening position when he was shot. Being 6’4 and having bullets in the hands indicated that he was indeed on the ground with his hands up .

            As for 9/11 I was simply saying the root of something whether it was right or wrong can create an unjust outcome.

            Now I will respectfully say that you perceive things as you do,and I as I do
            .We do not need to be in agreement and you’ve heard what I had to say and I’ve heard you. I think anything beyond this will not get us anywhere and I’m not interested in arguing with no avail.

          • Redd_Melendez

            I asked you a question and never denied Brown was not armed.

            I asked you how the Cop was supposed to know that?

            The “witnesses” didn’t even know until the body was searched.

            How did he know when the shot was fired?

            I am merely going off your lack of an explanation as to ascertain guilt in a court of law.

            Despite the attempt to appear objective, you are claiming the Cop executed the man.

          • dalal

            Yes he did.
            How are cops to know if any one is armed or unarmed ? Does that mean they can shoot anyone they stop then ?

            No. Until a weapon is visible or drawn out the officer is to assume that the individual is unarmed. Other wise we’d have more than this incident to display that wouldn’t we

          • Redd_Melendez

            So one can’t be killed with his own gun?

            Stupid response with no basis in law.

          • dalal

            An officer is to assume that an individual is unarmed

            unless a weapon is visible, or drawn out.

            If such an assumption is never made, then there would be more deaths than can be accounted for. From what you are saying above, an officer must always assume that a weapon is on an individual anytime that they stop them, and there for are allowed to shoot the individual,such as the circumstance at hand. And that sir, is incorrect.

          • dalal

            An officer is to assume that an individual is unarmed

            unless a weapon is visible, or drawn out.

            If such an assumption is never made, then there would be more deaths than can be accounted for. From what you are saying above, an officer must always assume that a weapon is on an individual anytime that they stop them, and there for are allowed to shoot the individual,such as the circumstance at hand. And that sir, is incorrect.

            And also there are ample ways to avoid being in danger, and officers are trained in that as well. Such as using a taser, shooting the individual in the leg or even both to avoid placing ones self in danger.

          • Redd_Melendez

            Here I prosecuted many cases like this but I never knew the presence of a gun was required to show fear for ones life.

            The Cop only needs reasonable fear for his life in order to use deadly force.

          • dalal

            Exactly,reasonable fear

            in this case there is much evidence to convey that Brown was not a threat,from witnesses,to autopsy, to the bullet wounds. That is the whole issue here, are you missing the point completely?

    • Redd_Melendez

      Yes they are. Its all part of the black culture in America. I am sick of hearing how blacks committing crime and being shot in self defense is a race problem created by the white culture.

      The problem is what Bill Cosby talks about and it ain’t whiteys fault.

      Blacks will never prosper in America until they start adopting role models that are not thugs themselves.

      • ThePeopleofDetroit

        That culture is propped up by a majority-white record buying public’s insatiable appetite for gangster rap, trap rap, and other media that affirms their racist belief that black people are inherently criminal. That music then dominates radio playlists in urban areas and consequently convinces many young black men (many of whom have negligent parents) that being a “real” black man means being a thug – which in turn leads more black men to either become real criminals and/or become rappers who rap about being criminals. White people eagerly buy this kind of rap thus perpetuating a cycle where self-destructive, criminal black culture is voraciously consumed by whites which creates a demand for more self-destructive, criminal black culture.

        So, as we hold black people accountable for engaging in a culture of criminality we also have to hold white people accountable for perpetuating that culture.

        • Redd_Melendez

          Yeah they force them don’t they?

          Don’t blame whites for problems in the black community.

          Yeah, its all whitey’s fault.

          How exactly are we holding blacks ACCOUNTABLE?

          How should we hold whites ACCOUNTABLE?

          The fact the black home is shattered and blacks choose poor role models is all the white mans fault?

          No wonder blacks remain a permanent underclass in America.

          Who da thunk it?

          Its all whitey’s fault.

      • SageThinker

        Yeah, and Bill Cosby is a real good role model.

  • smb11

    This is just another canard being floated in the right-wing echo chamber.

  • smb11

    What makes them social parasites? That they are most likely low-income or poor, or that they are black?

  • smb11

    This is your first and only post! What do you teach and why would your first post on such a serious matter be so silly?

  • smb11

    The edited video I saw on the Friday it was released was from news on TV, not the internet.

  • smb11

    The edited video I saw on Friday was on the news, not from this website. Did all the different news media receive the entire clip from the police department and then edit it or did the Ferguson Police Department release the edited version on Friday?

  • smb11

    Actually, the Ferguson police chief said that the robbery had nothing to do with Officer Wilson stopping Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson

  • KeCo

    That’s actually not really true – especially considering that no one has seen any of the actual autopsy reports, only second hand bits and pieces that have appeared in news reports.

  • smb11

    From what I heard, the fatal shot could have been inflicted while Michael Brown stumbled forward a few steps as he was falling down to the ground.

  • smb11

    Where is the “video evidence” that he kept coming back at the cop?

  • smb11

    It is not a death penalty offense.

  • smb11

    Do read all the posts that call Michael Brown a thug who got what he deserved. Susie Sotar even went so far as to say that Michael Brown was a demon and that his parents should admit that they should have done a better job of raising their son. Yours is the closest thing to a responsible post from a right winger we have seen on this web site.
    As far as Obama’s response, we see what the media presents unless we do our own research. You will need to research what the DoJ is doing at the federal level to find out what the Obama Administration is doing. Remember, the DoJ is limited in what they can do. As Eric Holder said, the criminal investigation is a local matter. They are investigating criminal civil rights violations.
    I believe Ferguson is getting extra attention from the federal government because of the riots and the seemingly circle the wagons actions of Ferguson Police Department.
    The Ferguson Police Department have a lot to answer for.
    1) Why was Michael Brown’s body left lying uncovered in the street for four hours.
    2) Why did the police on the scene refuse to let a nurse try to resuscitate Michael Brown?
    3) Why didn’t the police interview Dorian Johnson immediately?
    4) Why didn’t the police interview Officer Wilson immediately?
    5) Why are there leaks from “people close to the investigation” that are all conveniently detrimental to Michael Brown?
    6) Why did Dispatch have to learn about the shooting from the news, not from the police calling it in?
    7) Why, when Dispatch called the Ferguson Police Department about the shooting, did Ferguson PD not know anything about the shooting?
    If past history wasn’t enough reason for the residents of Ferguson to doubt there would be justice, the actions of the Ferguson police chief and PD certainly gave them plenty of reason.

  • https://disqus.com/home/ sbslabradors

    The WHITE teen in Aurora CO that killed 7 people and wounded 70 is still walking around and breathing.

    • Love

      And that’s how it will be. White people tell us this death isn’t important worry about black on black killing…while white on white killing is more common and simply growing. But they don’t care. I’m just happy white on white killing are more likely and I am certainly rooting for any white killer. I tell em to get them boy!

  • https://disqus.com/home/ sbslabradors

    What a racist remark.

  • https://disqus.com/home/ sbslabradors

    Because everybody walks towards a gun that is being fired at them!

    • Carolyn Gray

      Not at all, but they WOULD be facing said gun if they had turned to surrender.

  • David Shaw Jr

    Then why does the autopsy report say there was no sign of a struggle?

  • David Shaw Jr

    Where are the pictures of the officer’s damaged face? If he was beaten as badly as they claim, where are the pictures of the damage? Not the x-ray, actual pictures of his bruised and beaten face.

    • smb11

      Actually, we need photo evidence of Officer Wilson shortly after the incident, how long after the shooting did he receive treatment, x-rays and photos from the hospital.

  • David Shaw Jr

    Where in the video does Mr. Brown shove the clerk?

  • David Shaw Jr

    Watch the man in the background at about 16 seconds.

  • David Shaw Jr

    If you watch closely at about 16 seconds you can see the guy in the background reach across the counter, stick something in his pocket and leave.

  • Conservative Mark

    Of course people against the Tea Party are going to post this pap! They want chaos which will ultimately lead to socialism. Let me (try) be equally asinine. Sure, assume the kid did pay for his smokes, he was 17! That alone is reason to shoot him in the face!

    • David Shaw Jr

      Nice try. He was 18.

      • Conservative Mark

        My bad. Well, the good news is he will never do it again.

        • smb11

          Do your parents share your view that the penalty for shoplifting should be immediate execution?

          • Conservative Mark

            My parents taught me both what Marshal Law and a “shoot to kill order” means. I am sure they feel the same as I do when I say it is too bad America has become so woosified by the politically correct liberal idiots! Put yourself in the place of the store owners who got robbed, looted and burned. It’s called empathy. Never take the side of the thugs that can throw the civilized world into chaos. It makes you an idiot.

          • smb11

            The question was do you and your parents believe the death penalty us an appropriate sentence for shoplifting?

            I support peaceful protests and appropriate police response. I don’t support looting and arson, nor do I support police brutality and oppressive tactics. Those who committed unlawful acts were in the minority and many were from out of town.

            You have empathy for the business owners, as do I. But, do you have empathy for a teenager who lost his life and his grieving parents?

          • Conservative Mark

            And how about the cop that got beaten before he shot him? His mother is a loser! My parents taught me the important life lesson, “You screw with a cop and you’re going to get shot.” Good parents will now teach that lesson again. Bad parents will either say nothing or lay blame on the cop so we can hear more of this in the news. Lack of RESPECT is what this case is really all about. It happened on a small scale and then went much larger under the guise of PROTESTS.

          • smb11

            Well, we can say you have no empathy. Your version of events also doesn’t mesh with witness statements. Reports on Officer Wilson’s injuries have already been debunked. If his injuries were as bad as described, he wouldn’t have been up walking around. I know from personal experience. The kind of injuries that were described would gave left him shocky. The video of him walking around the body doesn’t show any sights of him being shocky.

          • smb11

            FYI, it is Martial Law.

  • Ed Snowed Us

    He was in there with his friend, Dorian Johnson, it even looked like he dropped some and handed them to his friend as he picked them up. He left with his friend.
    Was his friend charged at all —- NO!

    His friend faces NO robbery charges at all!

    Have you ever heard of that being the case? They always charge everyone in order to get one “to turn”. Case closed – no robbery, no criminal action except maybe the lowest level of assault, which is up to the clerk to press charges if Brown was still alive.

  • KeCo

    This does’t show anything – he doesn’t reach for his wallet or pocket. And the camera is at the wrong angle to prove (or disprove) that he paid. Not sayign anythign against Brown but it seems wrong to claim a video shows something it doesn’t.

    • David Shaw Jr

      It’s entirely possible he already had the money in his hand. And if he was going to rob the store of the cigars, why would he give some of them back to the clerk?

      • KeCo

        That is possible I agree – this video does not show him before he approached the counter. But this does show his friend putting something back – and Brown puts the box back but then he picks stuff up off the floor and then walks out with two handfuls.

  • Dez

    That’s so stupid. Why would he try to grab a gun from a police officer instead of running away like his friend? The responsibility was on the officer since he was the one trained to handle these situations, not on Brown who was a teen and unarmed. Of course more racism coming from people like you lumping all the protestors with the minority of rioters that are taking advantage of the situation. Why don’t you just say out loud that you think black people are violent? At least you would be honest with your racism since you assume Brown was automatically guilty and deserve the death penalty without a trial.

  • Dez

    That’s irrelevant since the officer did not have that information. All he had was the first impression of Brown on the street. Again none of what you said justifies murdering a teen. But of course with black men the assumption is guilty before being found innocent.

  • Heracles

    Also.. Black people need to stop walking in the middle of the street taunting traffic. I’ve seen this happen in PA I guess it’s the influx of thugs in the area.
    Treat the police as a friend not enemy. But if your up to no good I see why this is hard for some.

  • Heracles

    How ignorant. The cop had a broken eye socket. It’s clear brown kept the officer in the car by slamming the door shut on him and pummeled him.. And also struggled for his gun
    I bet if he didn’t decided to burn rush him after he tried to flee he would be alive. Why wouldn’t the officer shoot at him and let him charge him, after what happened in the car? It was self defense.

  • j

    im sorry but white people cannot have a confrontation with a black without the black resorting to “what are you racist”… no that assumption certainly is though… the racist card is the most played card in the deck… and frankly white people who had nothign to do with slavery and just dont like blacks becuase of our personal life experiences are not racist… i cant help that the majority of unacceptable behavior i witness in my dailiy life stems form blacks… so no i dont like black people but thats bcause the black people have reinforced that, i also dont like drunks or crack heads and many other types of people that i see everyday diminishing society instead of building it up. so now you as a black person need to stop assuming the white cop is guilty. the facts
    1. his own friend addmits to the fbi they robbed the place.
    2. he doesnt run and hide, he flaunts him self by walking down the middle of a street, as in hes alll full of himself.
    3. a cop who doesnt know of the robbery ask the badass wanna be o get out of the street
    4 there is a confrontation, the details of which are still unproven.. (unless the trial is over already)…and the criminal dies…

    5. 91% of all black deaths are black on black.. and 99.99% of all arrest in america are non fatal… thats out of 12million per year….so like 400ish…so if half of those were murders.. that means 200/12,000,000 . i cant find the % of arrest that are black… but i know blacks make up the grreater %., .

    this means that the majority of over 12million arrest involve blacks that dont get killed by cops… and people have the nerve to say the cops are racist..

    . it sickens decent people to have to sit and see self serving people use this incident to justify there own misguided ignorant agendas… instead of trying to promote what you think… promote the facts and the truth

    • smb11

      “no i dont like black people “. You call yourself a decent person?
      Growing up most of the kids who bullied me were Jewish girls. Should I dislike all Jewish women because of that?

      • Love

        Sorry about that fool up top..but I think that he/she just proves the type of crowd we’re dealing with here.

    • Love

      STOP..this comment is soo stupid… Nobody needs to read this but who knew trailer parks even got internet receptions? And when did you guys stop facking your sisters to learn to read and write?

  • ManoftheRepublic

    We know that Dorian Johnson was telling lies when he said that Brown was shot in the back… But it seems strange that he would lied about him and Brown stealing the cigars…

  • V Gail Price

    I was thinking this to. Any time anyone dies at the hands of a police officer unjustly the system has Already failed as police are Part of that very System !!

  • Tupac_Back

    Who runs from the cops then runs back to them? Oh let me guess…the black super thug that black kids turn into when they smoke weed,the same weed white kids smoke and become laid back & hungry…fuck you,it’s not a race thing it’s a police brutality thing.People who think like you are what’s wrong in this country.

    • ManoftheRepublic

      The person with pot in their system that robs a store, attacks a cop and keeps making bad decisions,.

      • Redd_Melendez

        The pot is not relevant to such decisions.

        • Love

          The store owner claiming that he never called the cops does not matter? lol But robbing a store does not make one super man to double back and attack a cop shooting bullets at you.

          • Redd_Melendez

            Huh?

            The only relevant question is whether the Cop had a reasonable fear for his life when he fired.

            None of that is relevant to a murder charge.

      • Love

        But he never robbed a store and or attacked the police. The store owner never called the police and the evidence proves the kid was at a distance from the cop.

      • intelligenceisbeauty

        Never in my life have I seen weed make anyone act crazy, not even Loud. Now what is the first thing many folks want to do to chill out……Light up, so please cut the lets try to make him look like a monster.

        • ManoftheRepublic

          If they ACT like a Monster, then they are a Monster and I cannot help what you have seen but while it is not common, there are incidences where people on pot turn violent,, It happens when they get paranoid and in some cases as they are coming down.. But hey, that is just reality, sorry to intrude into your unicorn utopia of weed…

          • intelligenceisbeauty

            Weed don’t make people violent, if that was the case, medical marijuana would not be in use. There are many things that alters your mind that can cause delusion and other hallucinations, weed is just not one of them.

          • ManoftheRepublic

            Sorry child, the research is NOT WITH you,, Weed does not make everybody violent, But not all people react the same way to all things, In many people weed makes them paranoid, Paranoid people often do violent things,, In many people weed impairs judgement, that can lead to violent reactions..

    • Redd_Melendez

      Are you serious? Many run to avoid being shot and circle back to be the big macho bad ass.

      Sounds a lot like what Trayvonn Martin did.

      • Love

        If Zimmerman can follow trayvon (and you can allow that incident to play all innocently in your mind) then why could trayvon not stop and go ask Zimmerman why he was being followed? If trayvon did run back to confront zimmeerman it was probably to ask him why he was following him. But this turn of event doesn’t play out in racists heads because they’re are AFRAID of black people. . I’m personally not bothered by racist because most are simply cowards. Somebody asked why do these white fools on here hate black people. It’s not hate..it’s fear…and it’s quite pathetic.

        • Redd_Melendez

          Trayvonn was a Cop?

          He could have done that but he didn’t. Z had just called the Cops so its irrational to think he was about to kill or attack somebody.

          TM chose to attack the guy instead and Rachel Jenteal’s testimony shows state of mind. Stalking is a legal term that does not apply if a security guard is keeping an eye on someone.

          I agree its fear and it was on both sides. However, you can’t attack somebody until a CREDIBLE THREAT is upon you not simply because some creepy ass cracker or cop wants to know what you are doing.

          You see racism in everything don’t you?

      • Tupac_Back

        No Trayvon whooped Zimmerman’s ass because Zimmerman was being a creep stalking a kid and when he couldn’t believe a kid was beating his ass he shot him to get him off him.you racist faggots kill me with your who’s a thug talk,the real murderers,theives and thugs don’t look like Trayvon Martin or Mike Brown,they wear suits and ties and uniforms and badges.

        • Redd_Melendez

          Lame!

          According to your definition of stalking, any department store security guard or Cop would be STALKING. Stalking is a specific intent crime with explicit legal meaning and not the overly broad uneducated drivel you just spewed,

          Z called the Cops and then was attacked by a guy who had every option to keep walking but he had to be macho man.

          Now, because he tried to take a life, he is a dead macho man and he has himself to blame as someone following you is not a defense to attack.

          You are so stupid you think he called the Cops right before whacking TM putting himself at the scene?

          You are a special kind of stupid racist aren’t you?

  • G14

    I’ve said from the beginning it looked like a misunderstanding not a robbery or a theft

  • DCaliento

    How do you know he had no reason to shoot his gun six times? It took that many to stop him from charging the officer. Mike is a victim, surely. Of his own stupidity.

    • V Gail Price

      and you would be wrong BECAUSE even if it took 5 shots to stop him the autopsy is saying that one of the shots to the head which I’d say was the last shot ( Or more than one was unneeded) ENTERED the body from the BACK and came out the FRONT .. consistent with him having his hands over his head. No matter how you bring this down I personally am not comfortable with having so poorly trained police for/against me that are not properly trained in using a gun. Nor am I comfortable with a justice system that would not see the need for a trial in this case (JUST because of the Head Shot Alone). I pray whomever is in charge of this does the right thing & puts this cop in a place where he can think about that choice he made for a while & Mr. Browns family deserves justice.

      • DCaliento

        I am not comfortable with your ignorance of the facts as we know them. Does it matter to you that MB beat the officer in his car, enough to break his orbital bone? Then had to compose himself enough to stop a drugged MB charging at him? No matter how you want to bring this down, the cop did what he was supposed to do. If MB had done what he was supposed to do, he would be alive today. Think about that, Price.

    • JoseCuervo

      A victim of a rogue cop.. a cop that was already fired from his Previous job along with the whole Jennings Police dept.
      Because apparently , in this country, if you are black, you don’t have the freedom to walk on public roads. Gee he shot more bullets than the entire British Police Force did last year

      • DCaliento

        Your info is disingenuous at best. The whole department was dissolved – everyone was fired because there were charges of corruption and racial tension thru-out the department. Wilson was not accused of any wrong doing, and in fact was one of those allowed to reapply under a newly organized department. But hey, I know facts don’t fit your agenda. Michael Brown was a victim of the left’s soft bigotry of low expectations, and his own stupidity.

  • DCaliento

    Sorry, didn’t see any money changing hands; saw MB reaching deep across the counter, with more stuff in his hands. Your story is full of maybe, supposedly, and perhaps. Perhaps keeping conjecture to yourself will help keep this incident from becoming something it isn’t. And BTW, I love the message the tea party has. Beats thuggery, thievery, and lying every time.

  • jennyct

    Why can’t they interview the clerk???

    • 1Gandydancer

      The clerk is afraid for his life.

  • William Clark

    Gloria, he wasn’t killed because of the cigars. The cop didn’t even know that Brown was a suspect in that incident.

    No one is justifying his death because of the cigars. What is being said is that he attacked the officer and in that struggle he was shot and killed.

    • https://disqus.com/home/ sbslabradors

      That fact has yet to be proven in a court of law or anywhere but YOU know it for a fact. LOL!

      • Redd_Melendez

        This won’t make it to warrant let alone a courtroom.

    • Carolyn Gray

      right that is what is being SAID, but the evidence to date does not support that he “attacked” an officer and was shot ‘during that struggle’ Brown was MANY feet away from the officer when he was struck with 6 bullets. This was EXCESSIVE use of force. Period.

      • Binky

        I was responding to you on CNN when the blog was shut down. Sick and Tired’s answer below is correct.

        If you had just committed a robbery and assault (felony with 5 years to life in Missouri) not less than 10 minutes previously and a police car pulled up next to you, what would your conclusion be? You say I don’t know what was in Brown’s head; however, plain common sense would tell you that the police weren’t there (in both Brown’s and Johnson’s minds) that they were there to sell them tickets to the police officers ball.

        After telling them to get out of the street, they (per Darian Johnson in an interview) mouthed off to the officer, telling him that they were not going to move. In the few seconds that transpired, the radio call came on in the officers car telling about the robbery, along with a description of the 2 men, and asking officers in that area to respond. It was at that point that Officer Wilson KNEW these were the 2 robbers. He backed his car up and diagonally in the road to block them and started to get out of his car. Brown shoved the officer back in the car and either punched him or grabbed his face (per the officer, Darian and 2 other black witnesses). The officer naturally drew his gun (he is right-handed) and Brown was said to have tried to take it. He lost the struggle and then he ran away, with Darian behind him. Darian stopped running and hid behind a parked car. The officer pursued, yelling “freeze”. Brown then stopped and began yelling taunts, as he charged full speed toward the officer. It took less than 3 seconds for the 6 shots to be fired.

        Police are trained to aim at “center mass” which is the torso. That’s what Wilson was doing but with Brown in motion, coming toward him, he was off center mass and the first 4 shots hit his right arm, which was close to the side of his torso during the 1-2 seconds that those 4 shots were fired. At that point, Brown began to fall forward from the 4 shots and the last 2 went into his head. If he had remained standing, they would have hit his torso possibly killed him anyway

        Darian told the story correctly the first time he was interviewed by the media. Then a lawyer got a hold on him and suddenly his story changed. Not once, did he tell that they had just robbed a store and assaulted the owner. He wasn’t smart enough to realize that there probably was a security video that filmed the whole event.

        However, to Darian’s credit, the video does show him putting the cigars, that Brown handed him to carry, back on the counter.

        You must spend more time reading all the information that is out there instead of reading these blogs and believing only what you want to believe.

        • Redd_Melendez

          You know you made an effective argument by the responses you are going to get.

      • William Clark

        Actually there is evidence that does support that Brown struggled with the officer including the officer’s swollen face.

        The reason Brown was several feet away was that he tried to run away but, according to some reports, turned and charged the officer who fired and killed him.

        If in fact Brown did initiate an assault on the officer and attempted to grab his gun then is is not an excessive use of force.

      • Redd_Melendez

        Excessive force has never been defined by the number of rounds because merely hitting someone does not stop them. There is plenty of evidence to show he attacked but you don’t want to acknowledge it.

        The 21 foot rule applies in this situation and the Cop is justified as a result of this long time standard for judging Officer conduct.

        • Love

          There is NO plenty of evidence. It turns out the photo hannity used to show the wilson “orbital fracture” was from 2008 with dates cropped out.

          www(dot)thepoliticalinsider (dot) com/cnn-report-darren-wilson-didnt-fractured-eye-socket-injury-michael-brown

          • Redd_Melendez

            Wilson does not have to prove innocence.

            The DA must prove guilt.

            How does that prove guilt in the shooting?

            I didn’t realize a person had to wait until they were seriously injured to fire in self defense.

            They don’t.

            Whether he had injuries is irrelevant to whether he feared for his life when he fired.

            The law does not require serious injury but rather a reasonable fear and you proved nothing.

            Your desire to ask Wilson to prove his innocence shows you can’t prove his guilt and that is reasonable doubt.

            Case closed!

    • Perfect Timing

      That makes absolutely no sense since even the Autopsy backs up claims that there was no struggle and that he was shot with hands in the Air.. The officer fired 12 shots at him.. He was definitely NOT trying to wound him.

  • William Clark

    Sorry but what I see in this video I Brown reaching across the counter and grabbing a bunch of cigars, some of which fall to the floor. He then picks them up and walks out as the owner comes from around the checkout counter. I see nothing that would indicate that he paid for the cigars he grabbed.

    • David Shaw Jr

      Why didn’t the clerk call the police?

      • William Clark

        Good question. Perhaps he was afraid of retaliation by Brown or others in the community. Perhaps he doesn’t like or is afraid of Police for some reason. Maybe he felt that since a customer called Police there was no need for a call from him.

        Another question is when the Police report was taken did the owner claim that someone had stolen cigars or not? That part is not clear. It would appear that he did otherwise there would be no need to get a warrant to view the video tapes.

        • David Shaw Jr

          True. But if the owner was cooperating with the police, why the need for a warrant? Shouldn’t he be willing to hand them over without one?

          • William Clark

            Again, good question. But why wouldn’t he cooperate with the cops? Fear of retaliation by local criminals? Did the cops even ask him to hand over the video or did they just go for the warrant to avoid a possible question of invalid search?

  • dalyrymple

    You are a running dog.

  • dalyrymple

    You are a running dog, useful idiot,
    moron.

  • Hezaa

    “Sympathetic realist”
    “I am using an unconfirmed assumption couched as hard fact to claim that a human being deserved to die”
    You’re cute!

  • Startrooper228

    “Right wingers have labelled…” Nothing like politicizing a horrible incident when it simply is not true – I’m a right winger, I don’t label him. Oh wait, you’re a dumb little kid, keep your mouth shut until you grow up.

    • smb11

      Have you read all these posts? Susie Sotar actually called Michael Brown a demon!

  • smb11

    This is an assumption only.
    One of the bullets entered the top of his head, passed through the brain, exited the head and then entered the collar bone. This is the kill shot. According to one theory, this is the shot made while Officer Wilson was walking closer to Michael Brown. He was hit by this shot as he was going down to his knees. This sounds like the shot that could have entered “back to front”.

    From what I heard, the diagram we are being shown is a preliminary diagram. The official autopsy diagram will be more detailed.

  • smb11

    If he had committed a murder, then he may have gone for the officer’s weapon. All he had to fear was a shoplifting charge, and his first one at that! It makes no sense that he would go for an officer’s weapon.

  • smb11

    Okay “Teacher”. Please provide us with a critical commentary without all the political bias you are demonstrating. You know, writing composition, grammar, spelling, etc. The kind of things on which an English teacher would focus.

  • FollowTheBuzzards

    The Ferguson police has a long history of abuse and misconduct. No speculation needed.

  • http://www.julianajaeger.net Juliana

    Cops killed my brother in 1992. We didn’t riot over it.

  • http://www.julianajaeger.net Juliana

    Is this a joke?

  • Nick A

    Except Brown didn’t hand the box to his friend just to place them back onto the counter and he still walked out with more than a handful of two packs. The other video that was released showed Brown pushing the owner into a display rack then leaving the store with the stolen cigars. Strong arm robbery is a felony and the customer who called did the right thing.

  • Chris Gauthier

    I’m not sure what happened in the store. I don’t know why the store owner as been silent. I don’t even know what I’m looking at here, where this video came from, or what it’s showing. I do know that Dorian Johnson, Michael Brown’s friend, has confirmed that they did, indeed, commit the robbery in question.

  • smb11

    Did the police tell half-truths when the first video that was released only showed the last half of the video that included the shove?

  • jsfun

    go back and read the original post before youget your knickers in a knot lunk head he talked about struggling for the gun not about gun fire. See now wasn’t that easy. Try to get a good idea of what’s been posted before you make a fool out of yourself responding. got it skippy

  • GreenMountainWolf

    @ John Prager, This video does not show him paying for the cigars. It a compete fabrication on your part to even suggest such a thing and such a fabrication is only going to inflame this situation. You sir should be ashamed. A near complete video is on the web of this incident.

  • Dez

    Is there a long history of unarmed white men being targeted and murdered by cops of color? If not then you don’t have a point.

  • Dez

    Because stealing cigs justifies a cop killing him.

  • Dez

    So that justifies murdering him? What is wrong with you?

    • 1Gandydancer

      It justifies calling Prager a liar. Willie B here offers no opinion on the shooting. Your reading comprehension sucks.

      • Dez

        Says a person that thinks it’s okay to gun down an unarmed black teen. Your opinion is irrelevant.

  • Dez

    Stealing is not a death penalty offense. Stop justifying the murder of a black teenager. No one deserves to die for cheap cigs.

  • Dez

    So he deserves the death penalty for stealing. Amazing logic you got there.

  • dallas

    Whether stole and didn’t steal a pack of cigarettes, I would like to live in a country where a person does not get executed by the police for $5; seriously

    • smb11

      I would like to live in a country were 100% of the people agreed that punishment for shoplifting is not the death penalty.

  • smb11

    I witness a white couple taking groceries out of a store. Should they have been shot and killed for shoplifting?

    • 1Gandydancer

      Brown wasn’t killed for shoplifting.

  • smb11

    Why didn’t the police release the whole video?

  • smb11

    If the first shot went off in the confines of the car, would thief be residue in the car. Would it show a pattern and provide any useful information like blood spatter patterns do?

    • kbdevo1962

      I was just thinking the same thing.

  • Noell Danner

    I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF racist folks on here calling every young black person you see a thug. I can’t wait until the REAL judge, our Creator, judges us all. Out of every ethnic group on this planet, which group has behaved like real thugs? I would say the ones who stole and enslaved a people for centuries and instituted rules and regulations to keep a people down for generations and then make them hate themselves are the true genuine thugs.

    • http://www.julianajaeger.net Juliana

      I don’t recall directing anyone to hate himself. Awfully broad, racist brush you’re using to paint such a generalization.

      • smb11

        Caucasians (Europeans, Romans, Greeks) have been the dominant culture for over the last 2,000 years. Before that Chinese, Eqyptians, Middle East (not in that order), were ascendant. It is easy to focus on the history of the most recent millennia and come to the conclusion that Caucasians are the biggest thugs in history. Since it appears that people have been at each others throats since the dawn of history, labelling any one group as being the real thugs seems to be futile.

        • http://www.julianajaeger.net Juliana

          Yup. Thugs come in all configurations of DNA.

  • smb11

    The question is do they want them? The military equipment being used didn’t come free of charge from the Feds. If dash cams were a priority, they would have them installed.

    Dash cams protect the police officers from false accusations and leaves a record if the officer is injured or killed while in view of the camera. It also protects the public from police misconduct.

    If the Ferguson police department doesn’t want them, they will always say they don’t have the budget for it.

  • Stepper

    I gotta hand it to Dorian though. It looks like Brown hands him some goods to take but Dorian just sits it back on the counter.

  • Justin Keller

    I’m sure weed is illegal in Ferguson. He ain’t buyin swishers to smoke tobacco. Kid was a criminal in all kinds of ways.

    • ScabFace

      Yeah he smoked an illegal flower so it’s ok…..

    • Dez

      Yup we kill people in this country for stealing if your black.

      • Justin Keller

        You want racist? Blacks kill each other all the time and nobody riots but when a white cop shoots a pos criminal it’s riot time.

  • Hezaa

    HEY EVERYBODY. What ever happened to the store clerk? Wouldn’t he be the one who could give the definitive story here? Why haven’t we, like, heard from him? Shouldn’t he have been the first person the police would interview if they were of a mind to release that footage?

    • http://www.julianajaeger.net Juliana

      He filed a police report. It’s been released, but some weird reason this article isn’t talking about it at all.

  • rnsone

    The owner is keeping his mouth shut as he fears for his safety and the safety of his employees at the store. Brown clearly bullied the man in the video. Still no excuse for his murder. But all the facts aren’t out yet.

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  • dasboot

    Normally liberals exhibit a high level of intelligence, and perception. But, they’ve got it wrong here. This kid exhibitied the traits of a thug on that video. Isolated event? Maybe, probably not. He may or may not have deserved to be shot, we still don’t know. We will not know until the FBI/DOJ release their report.
    We watch all of this unfold via our TV/web browser, and we think we know what happened out there. We DO NOT. Let these federal investigations do their job. Give the system time. We all need to simmer the f* down, and understand that we aren’t informed enough to render an opinion regarding this incident.

    • Robert Kennedy

      What he did or didn’t do is totally irrelevant here because the cop was unaware of what happened in the store. It was murder pure and simple.

      • dasboot

        You do not KNOW that. You watch TV/internet, and you form an opinion based on heresay, and subjective opinion. More information is coming out that corroborates a very different version.
        Again, lets let the FBI/DOJ do their job, and deliver a vastly more informed, and unbiased report. You may very well be suprised at what really went down there.

        • ScabFace

          Even the chief of police said the cop was unaware of the robbery.

        • Dez

          I would be surprised if you can provide the statue that says a cop can execute someone for stealing cigs.

          • dasboot

            Has nothing to do with stealing. Has everything to do with his conduct after contact was made. THAT is what we’re going to find out when this report is released. Everything we’ve heard up to now has been subjective analysis.

          • Dez

            Yes because an trained officer is not expected to act like one and not murder an unarmed teen. Again show the statue that says an officer can kill someone for stealing or pushing someone. Here in this country we have a court of law and we don’t execute someone without a trial.

          • dasboot

            What are you talking about? There is not “statute” that says anything of the sort. That has nothing to do with the use of deadly force policy in MO or any other state. Read reports of the officers statement. If what he says is accurate, elements satisfy the MO use of deadly force policy.
            You’re confusing one incident with another.

    • Dez

      Nice racism. You have one example of him possibly stealing and then deem him a criminal. Did you know he was about to go to college as well or he is still a criminal? Since when was stealing cigs a death penalty case?

    • jsfun

      eric racist holder and you expect a honest report???? that’s ridicules’

      • Love

        better than Bob racist McCulloch

  • Stepper

    I suppose the store clerk tried to chase him down to give him his change but brown was like “fool,I don’t need your change! Get back behind that counter before I bust yo ass. You got customers waitin”.

  • afftongrown

    What the hell kind of reporting is this? Now he’s paying for the item he supposedly stole that put this city in complete turmoil! Hey! Here’s a suggestion, did anyone think of asking the store clerk what happened that day? He was there! I would think he would be a pretty good source of information! In the meantime, Ferguson is on the downslide to hell!

  • Evan Klein

    dont know this guy but might of thought might makes right, that works great but when you try it with a cop that i doing his job , You might get you ass shot up and made dead.

    • smb11

      He was shot 35 feet away from the car. Officer Wilson shot at him multiple times as Brown was running away. Wilson fired the kill shot when Brown had turned around and raised his hands. That is not an officer doing his job.

  • Donna L. McCormick

    Why did you not approve my comment on the black cop who shot the white unarmed vet teen?

    • smb11

      Was a link to another website included? Some of meh posts with links disappear into limbo.

  • Donna L. McCormick

    Are you blind? At the 20 second mark he reaches back and grabs the whole case you watch them spew on the floor, then you get to watch him picking up all the packs that flew on the floor and start to leave. Which is where I am sure the guy comes out and confronts him, but how nice that they cut that whole strong arm right out of the video. You may be blind but I was laughing hysterically thinking that someone would actually try to convince us of that using this video.

    • Baakus

      For a “strong arm robbery,” Brown and his friend sure seem to leave the store in a calm manner. If they really did rob the place, shouldn’t they be running away instead of waiting for other customers to pass by them? Shouldn’t the store have reported the robbery?

  • jsfun

    what happened at the store has nothing to do with him getting killed by attacking the cop and trying to take his gun. It’s just away to divert attention from the facts show how horrible the police are and that everything they knew and did was wrong. And it works on millions of soft headed liberals they salivate over irrelevant things like this.
    See I told ya so I told ya so

    • BonoboMan

      Except he didn’t attack or try to take the officer’s weapon. If you filled your mind with facts instead of beliefs you would know there was no signs of a struggle or evidence to support that claim.

      I know all you racists want to avoid the race card but this case is basically a “he said – they said” situation. We have the word of the shooter who’s motivated to lie to avoid prison versus several witnesses who don’t even know the victim. The evidence supports what the witnesses claim yet some of you choose to believe the shooter’s version. Why? Because the witnesses are black, of course.

      I know in your heart you racists want this killing to be justified but the facts aren’t on your side. Ignoring reality won’t change the facts.

      • jsfun

        no booboo it’s racist like you who want to believe the street urchins that you call witnesses for what happens and ignore all other facts or possibility’s. You are a racist you have made up your mind and nothing could sway a racist like you from calling for whiteys head regardless of any evidence that may yet come forth. Face it booboo racist your mind was made up as to who was to blame the second you heard the races involved in the incident racists like you don’t give a dam about the facts and you sure don’t want to so much as hear them in fear that you’ll have to reconsider all the racism that fills your heart something you don’t ever want to let go of.
        Same as all the blood thirsty racists protesting last night calling for the death of the officer without ever going through a investigation or trial NOW THAT’S RACIST BOOBOO

        • Alena

          You just called them “street urchins” and you’re accusing us of being racist? If I call you trailer trash, does that mean I’m not racist either?

          • jsfun

            your right Alena I did have a preconceived notion as to who might have been out on the street you were right for calling me out on that I was wrong in that thought I had that notion long before I posted today

          • Rich_De

            Doesn’t change the fact you are a jackhole.

        • BonoboMan

          Wow jsfun, you’re more ignorant than I thought. I’m Caucasian.

          That you then say I disregard facts while you completely ignore facts and reality is not only hypocritical but belligerent as well.

          Now tell me again I’m a racist for stating facts while you refer to African Americans as “street urchins”.

          You really are a horrible person.

          • jsfun

            I never referred to African Americans in anyway shape or form booboo just more proof of what a racist you are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions based on race. Nor did I make any assumptions as to your race and there’s nothing in my post that would show that I did. Just more proof of the prejudicial nature you posses and will never be able to fairly address race or any other issue until you learn to think and approach things with a open mind which you clearly lack.

          • Hezaa

            NO U!!!

          • BonoboMan

            jUSTsTUPIDfun, I think you’re in denial. That’s what it’s called when you deny facts. That you deny calling African Americans “street urchins” when you just did a few comments earlier shows that you’re not to be taken seriously.

          • jsfun

            And I believe yu should be in a nut house if you can’t accept what I said that because of the racism that drives you. Completely unable to simply read what’s been posted your so blinded by racism.
            Seek help booboo

        • Dez

          You are racist to the full extent. Black people protesting the alarming rate of black men being murdered by police is not racism. Ignoring it and blaming black men as urchins and criminals is.

          • jsfun

            never said anything about blacks NEVER ONCE. you are blinded by your own racism the protesters in the street are driven by racism they are not driven by FACTS!!!!!!!

          • smb11

            Sorry, jsfun.

            You are busted! Your first sentence “no booboo it’s racists like you who want to believe the street urchins that you call witnesses for what happens and ignore all other facts or possibility’s” is racist. Why is it a racist comment? All the witnesses who have been interviewed by the media have been black. Therefore, your are referring to a group of African Americans as “street urchins”, a derogatory term and you imply they aren’t fit to be witnesses.

          • jsfun

            Nice try racist but as I said your all wrong you assumed African American and I pointed out NO mention of African American in any of my posts.here ya go racists learn learn learn don’t let the racism in your souls pollute your mind

            urchin

            [ur-chin] /ˈɜr tʃɪn/ Spell Syllables

            Synonyms

            Word Origin

            noun

            1.

            a mischievous boy.

            2.

            any small boy or youngster.

            3.

            sea urchin.

            4.

            either of two small rollers covered with card clothing used in conjunction with the cylinder in carding.

            5.

            Chiefly British Dialect. a hedgehog.

            6.

            Obsolete. an elf or mischievous sprite.

          • smb11

            Calling an adult “urchin” is an insult. But you went one step further. You used the phrase “street urchin”. And since all the adults you are referring to are black, your statement is racist. If the adults present were Park Avenue whites, would you call them “street urchins”? I don’t think so.

            From the Urban Dictionary:

            A young adult who hangs out on the street in a big city or near the entrance of an outdoor concert(see the French Quarter and Jazz Fest in New Orleans). Typically s/he is selling hemp or blown glass products, sports dreadlocks, and is accompanied by one or more mangy looking dogs. Sometimes s/he may also be administering home made pamphlets on topics such as the utility of hemp or communal living.

            From Wiktionary:

            UK) A child who lives, or spends most of his/her time, in the streets; often a petty thief or pickpocket.

          • jsfun

            who the hell cares racist it’s all over the facts are coming out Wilson will be vindicated the gentle giant got what he had coming and all the street urchins in the world couldn’t save him with all the lies they told including the thug liar that was with him when he roughed up that store clerk.
            Have a wonderful night racist

          • smb11

            Calling me a racist when you are the one using racist language is dishonest. You were also dishonest when you tried to use the definition for “urchin” to try to prove you were not being racist when the phrase you actually used was “street urchin”, a phrase with a dramatically different meaning and effect.

            Why the compulsion to brand someone else as a racist when you are the one demonstrating racist behavior?

          • jsfun

            try using a REAL DICTIONARY instead of made up terms corrupting the language is a huge problem. oh and bright eyes I had NO idea what color the people involved are. Again jumping to conclusions to fit your racist bias

          • smb11

            I had already tried Merriam-Webster and Oxford Dictionaries before posting. The phrase wasn’t in either one.
            If you had paid attention to the news coverage, and better yet, see interviews given by the witnesses, you would know they are black.
            It would seem from your posts, you aren’t very well informed on this situation, otherwise you would know that the witnesses were black.

          • smb11

            Since when does a shove equal roughing up someone?

          • jsfun

            since when does a shove put someone in the hospital. now why don’t you just grow the hell up racist. it’s all over the riots are over what ya going to do when he cop walks and justly so?
            shove hell just bumping into someone can get you killed

          • smb11

            The store keeper didn’t go to the hospital. The orbital socket fracture was a scam. Someone in the Ferguson PD has been leaking information, not all of it true.

            The cop may walk because the Ferguson PD and the DA don’t seem to be interested in getting to the truth.

            JS, you are plain loco.

          • jsfun

            the cop has injuries to is eye he was attacked the cops going to walk michael brown is right where he belongs and all your racist ignorance isn’t going to change a thing.
            And your going to waste your life immersed in conspiracy theories to support your ignorance and hatred. Good luck with that

          • Dez

            Yup. You are definitely racist. When you purposefully ignore the history of black men being murdered by cops and turn around and blame the victims, that shows how disgusting of a human being you are.

          • jsfun

            Im in no way racist the people who refuse to listen to the facts are racist the rioters and looters are racist I am to you worse I am honest and you don’t want to hear it. No ones history has anything to do with what happened in Ferguson it was motivated by ignorance hatred and racism not only were buildings destroyed but race relations in America have been set back 100 years because of the racism that was on display in Ferguson.
            “blame” that’s the lefts game looking at what happened in the incident and considering ALL that’s been reported has noting to do with “blame”
            Think think think don’t let the hatred and racism that consumes you sway you from the truth

          • smb11

            Could you try using punctuation?
            Yes, jsfun, your posts are racist. You say “Im in no way racist” when your posts are obviously racist and you call anyone who disagrees with you racist. You say “I am to you worse I am honest..” Just like your protestations that you are not racist, I expect you know that you are not being honest.

    • sociosam

      No attempt to take the gun away. The autopsy found no residue on his hands.

      • jsfun

        why would there be residue on his hands even if he touched the gun? You only get residue when you shoot a gun. More ignorant trash being thrown around and viewed as evidence when it is not evidence of anything. But anything to fulfill your preconceived notions rather than accepting a investigation to see what the out come is. You are so far off the mark and it is this B.S. like yours soc that is leading to all the unrest. Fact is there would be no unrest if it weren’t for the lies and assumptions that people are using to create a situation that exists only in their heads.
        Something which I have admitted I’m fully capable of doing myself

  • Raz Lemons

    People keep forgetting that the alleged shoplifting had nothing to do with the shooting and that is according to the Police.

  • dalyrymple

    Hey, Prager, you liberal Hack….Show the other part of the video, dude! You’re stirring people up for your agenda, comrade……He shoved and pushed the clerk after this part…the clerk came out from around the counter because something was not right with the transaction….You are a despicable Hack..You and others like you ARE THE PROBLEM IN THIS STORY! Leftist Hack.

    • smb11

      Why didn’t the police show this part of the video? From the clip provided by the police I saw, only the shove was shown.

      • dalyrymple

        This part of the video is incriminating too, comrade….What are you talking about here? The clerk comes out from around the counter, so something is not right here……He took the cigars, or he did not pay the correct amount for them……It is obvious something is NOT right, comrade…….and THEN the perp pushes and shoves the clerk….He looks like a bully in anybody’s book………..

        • smb11

          The question still stands, mein fuhrer. Why did the police only show the part of the video with the shove?

          • dalyrymple

            You’re the fascist here, comrade…..that’s all they had to show….this other part does nothing to make Mike Brown look any better either, comrade……now taken together it does make him look like a bully who would intimidate folks with his size and belligerent attitude….the video shows, in its entirety, just that…both parts….You’re not helping his cause by pointing out this part of it, comrade….both parts are incriminating…..Your ploy or your point of view is just not working is it, comrade?

          • smb11

            Can’t be both a communist and a facist, Mein Fuhrer.
            My question hasn’t been answered. Why did the police only show half the video. What was their intent in doing so. What was their intent on releasing the edit video at the same time they were forced into announcing the name of the officer who killed Michael Brown.

  • dalyrymple

    They did not show Mike Brown shoving and bullying the clerk later in the video……It looks like he grabbed the cigars or maybe didn’t pay the correct amount, and the clerk came out from behind the counter. I don’t understand the point about this video clip. It’s obvious that something’s not right about the transaction…..now show the other part….

    • Dez

      Because stealing is an automatic death sentence if your black. What happened to a trial before getting the death penalty?

  • Rosa

    Why are they not showing Michael Brown pushing the store clerk, who is half his size and intimidating him as he is leaving?…..what a fuking joke. The officer should not have shot him once, if he felt threatened, much less 6 times. I know they carry mase, but Michael Brown has probably been a thief and a bully all his life and Karma got his ass.

    • dalyrymple

      Well, what ever he did right or wrong, he will not do it again….sad, but true…..sad for his folks, but……some people try to intimidate and think that their s..t does not stink….but it does bigtime….lo siento, comrades..

      • smb11

        Mein Fuhrer,
        The streets are safe for you once again.

        • dalyrymple

          Go back to bed in your Mother’s basement, smb11….You’ve lost the argument….your video segment has incriminated the perp even more…..I just hope the cop can have a fair trial…I think I know what happened, but justice with a socialist DOJ and Chief Exec, and a running dog media does not help his case….He did not shoot that dude for nothing, comrade….I don’t care what the Rev. Al says, dude…..this whole thing is a ploy to rile up voters for the midterms anyway….It’s a ginned up story by jackal politicians and an agenda driven media…..Now, stop bothering me, comrade….you cannot argue your way out of a wet paper bag because you are wrongheaded and a moron….

          • smb11

            From your post, it is obvious you have a slim grasp on reality, Mein Fuhrer. You also need to go back to school to learn the difference between communism, socialism and facism.
            What conspiracy theorist club do you belong to?
            Incidentally, my Mom died after 10 years of my being her caregiver while working full-time.

    • Dez

      Another racist that thinks that black automatically means guilty and stealing cigs means a person should be executed in the streets. Apparently blacks aren’t allowed a trial.

    • smb11

      Well, if he has been a thief and a bully all his life, why doesn’t he have a record? Since he was so slow to leave the convenience store, he wouldn’t have been a very good thief. He would have had a record. Any thief worth his salt knows enough to make a quick getaway.

  • Baakus

    If this footage is accurate, every single police officer who participated or allowed this abhorrent attempt to smear a victim’s reputation through blatant lies needs to face serious prison time.

    Of course, there will be the racist contingent that will merely modify their tune and say that Brown deserved to die because he kind of hassled a cashier. He was no angel!

    • crabbyj

      That’s exactly what they’ll do!

  • AmericanIrish

    Right. .I always bend half way over a counter to pay for things. And if this was the case, why did the clerk follow him to the door? We don’t know what happened. .but posting this nonsense doesn’t help

    • James Dunn Jr

      maybe the owner thought he didn’t pay for the reason why the owner is coming out saying his version. bottom line we need to know what happen once cops stop the young man

      • AmericanIrish

        I agree. All the speculation has to stop being presented as fact. I believe the system will work. .whatever the outcome may be

        • http://aattp.org/author/john-prager/ John Prager

          I wish speculation was not necessary. Unfortunately, no dash cam footage exists, no one has come forward with a video of the actual shooting, Ferguson does not use body cameras…
          The “official” story is very fishy and is heavily contradicted by the independent autopsy, which matches most witness accounts. I’d like to see a trial. If he’s found innocent, he’s found innocent…but Brown’s family deserves to see this man in court. There is never an excuse to shoot an unarmed person.

          • smb11

            In my opinion, they don’t want dash cams because then there would be video evidence of their actions.

          • Binky

            Dash cams are only for traffic stops on highways. They only film what is in front of the officer’s car. No help for anything else and certainly not this crime.

          • smb11

            Sorry. I should have been more exact. I was lumping both dash cams and body cameras together.

          • Binky

            It’s all good. ;)

          • AmericanIrish

            I want a trial if the officer is guilty of a crime. .not just to appease a mob mentality or to make a grieving family feel better. And I would respectfuly disagree about there never being a reason to shoot an unarmed person.

          • dalyrymple

            Oh, yes there is cause to shoot “unarmed” persons sometimes, buddy…You do not know what you are talking about…..your statement is B.S. bigtime….

          • smb11

            Show me where Michael Brown falls in the guideline below.
            From Wikipedia:
            ” The use of deadly force is also authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death. In the United States, this is governed by Tennessee v. Garner, (U.S. Supreme Court 1985) which said that “deadly force…may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.” This case abolished the Fleeing felon rule where a fleeing felon who posed no immediate threat to society (e.g., a burglar) could be shot if they refused to halt.”

          • dalyrymple

            That’s the problem. They should be able to shoot if the suspect does not halt……..harsh, but true….it will stop a lot of lawlessness like it used to, comrade….go to bed…

          • smb11

            You like the idea of shooting any fleeing suspect, Mein Fuher? You would do equally well in a communist society or a facist society. Doesn’t work so well in a free state where people have rights.

          • Hezaa

            They wouldn’t be runnin’ if they weren’t guilty! YEE HAW!

          • dalyrymple

            You are a dishonest leftist hack, and you and others like you have as much blood on your hands as anybody involved, dude…..You’re not fooling me, comrade…..this is being stirred up by Leftists for their agenda and the November elections….the ends justifies the means with you disingenuous running dogs…

          • jsfun

            amen brother lefties have to handle this whole thing while screaming racism like threading a needle, got to keep the lie alive

          • JoseCuervo

            If the cops had nothing to hide they wouldn’t interfere with the medias right to report the news from the beginning. Where is the militia when you need it to overthrow the “tyrannical” gvt?
            They came in droves to help Mr Bundy… where are they now?

          • J. Fischer

            Really? How about you join the crowd trying to claim the shooting itself is part of an imaginary Obama plot to something something? Go all the way.

            If you want to claim that liberals are using this, then you’d better admit that the conservatives are doing the same.

          • Hezaa

            Heeeeheehee. The Cold War called, it said it wants its terminology back.

          • dalyrymple

            ….running dog.

          • Hezaa

            Do you normally use Soviet-era epithets that have no power because they aren’t in the common lexicon to describe people you know nothing about based solely on the fact that they have used snark in your direction? Or just on Wednesdays?

          • dalyrymple

            You are merely a useful idiot….You’ll find out the hard way, comrade….

          • Donna L. McCormick

            Yeah and with all these so called witnesses of his not one had a cell phone? BS, they would be all to eager to record police brutality. If there is a recording out there I am sure it would show he got what he asked for.

          • Hezaa

            LOL “There are no recordings of what happened so no one can know for sure, but if there were, they’d show that he deserved to die.” Well aren’t you a fine example of upstanding Christian generosity and love.

          • DCaliento

            That’s where you’re wrong, John. Unarmed people can be as dangerous as armed people. Ask any LEO.

          • igrnoantpeopleannoyme

            unless your life is threaten which it may have been… unarmed people can be lethal you moron.. about 1000 ways for an unarmed man to kill another

          • jsfun

            yes there is you can kill with your fists

          • Binky

            And pray tell, HOW would the officer KNOW for certain in the 2 minutes this scene went down that Brown did not have a weapon on him. There seems to be a big disconnect with logical reasoning and knowledge of the law, here.

          • smb11

            If police can act as though anyone is armed, wether a weapon is visible or not, it really gives the police a license to kill. The requirement for “imminent threat” goes out the window.

          • Binky

            I was speaking of this case only and not generalizing for all police. In the majority of cases where there is a confrontation between a police officer and a suspect, the suspect will have already shown his weapon. Or having the weapon is the part of the reason for the confrontation. It is actually somewhat rare that the situation between the lone officer Wilson and the out-of-control Brown occurs.

            This situation was also different, in that the officer was less than half the size of Brown, who was unusually large for an 18 year-old. In that respect, Brown, himself, was a weapon. Based on the first-day reports that Wilson had a swollen face, and that the officer had reported that Brown had attacked him prior to the shooting, there was a very reasonable “imminent” threat to Wilson; he was alone and was not in a position to call for backup.

            If I was allowed to guess at what went though Wilson’s mind in those 90-110 seconds before he began firing, I would say that he was in great fear for his life.

            If he was a rogue white cop for 4 years in a city that was 65% black, there would have to be other incidents in his record of such behaviors. A person just doesn’t change over-night. And there were none; just commendations.

          • smb11

            I suspect this may have been a rage shooting. Officer Wilson has yet to file an incident report. He was not interviewed immediately. Darian Johnson was not immediately interviewed. Multiple witnesses have stories that are very similar and are in direct conflict to the story told by Officer Wilson’s friend. The Ferguson police chief and police department have acted from day one as though they are more interested in protecting Officer Wilson than in getting to the truth and seeing that justice us done.

            The St. Louis police chief did it right in response to his officer’s shooting. Within 90 minutes of the shooting, he was on scene holding a press conference, explaining what happened and answering questions. The video of the shooting was quickly released and unedited.

          • Binky

            Dorian Johnson WAS interviewed on the same day of the shooting, by the media. He told an entirely different story than he did after a lawyer began representing him. I heard the original interview, which was aired on CNN. It was later published in a CNN article that the lawyer told him not to tell the story about the theft and assault of the store owner, which he did not know had been video-taped on a security camera.

            There are 2 black witnesses whose stories are the most credible. One is a young lady in an apartment building facing the street the shooting occurred on. She saw the entire incident from the point that Brown had his arm in the police car and she referred to it as a “skuffle” but said she could not determine what was actually happening but did hear a gunshot come from the car. She saw both Brown and Dorian then run away from the police car, with Dorian stopping to crouch behind a car. She describes exactly what the officer maintains happened. Because it all took place in less than 60-90 seconds, she was not able to get her cell phone camera up and running until immediately after the shooting. Her video has been shown on CNN a number of times, along with her interview.

            The other witness was a black man who lived on the 2nd floor of the same building. He saw the altercation in the police car and the officer chasing Brown and Johnson. However, he chose to leave the window and to run down the stairs to go outside to get closer. By that time the shooting was over and the officer was pacing in front of Brown’s body. There was another officer approaching Wilson, having just come on the scene. Both the man and woman described Wilson as highly distraught and in a state of shock.

            Officer Wilson was immediately removed from the scene by squad car and taken to a hospital. At some point in the day after the shooting, he and his family members were taken out of Missouri to an undisclosed location, due to the threats, rioting and looting.

            Per The Huffington Post, Officer Wilson DID file an incident report. However, the department is not releasing it at this time, which is their prerogative.

            Of course the police department is most interested in protecting Officer Wilson and his family. In light of the fact that Spike Lee and his New Black Panther group terrorized an elderly couple in their Florida home (they had the exact same name as George Zimmerman and the Panthers messed that one up), the department does not want another incident like that to occur. Spike Lee made a point to come directly to Ferguson. He was never prosecuted by Holder (his pal) for this outrageous act that resulted in the elderly people having to leave their home and move to another state.

            “Getting to the truth and seeing that justice is done” is not subject to the demands of a rioting, looting mob. Justice moves slowly and the case will eventually be heard.

            The other shooting that you refer to cannot in any way be compared to the Brown-Wilson case. There is a clear and definite video of exactly what happened. That makes all the difference between the two cases. What else could the St. Louis police chief say? Of course he had to “do it right”. The video clearly shows 2 officers executing a man that was of no threat to their lives.

            There is no video of Brown & Wilson. But there is a video of Brown & Johnson, taken less than 10 minutes before Brown was killed. That video clearly documents Brown’s attitude, arrogance and violent behavior.

        • Robert Kennedy

          Better than with Travon?

          • AmericanIrish

            No, exactly like it. Arrested, and charged. Both sides present their cases in a court of law..not the court of public opinion. The jury does the rest. That’s how the system works. Just because we may disagree with a verdict, doesn’t mean it was unfair or wrong.

          • AmericanIrish

            Exactly like that case. Arrested, charged, and tried in a court of law. Both sides presented a case and the jury decides. Not agreeing with a verdict doesn’t make it wrong or unfair. That’s our system.. let it work

          • Hezaa

            Juuuust going to point out that Zimmerman wasn’t even facing charges to begin with until there was a bitter and extended public outcry over it. If everyone had just trusted in our system and let it work, he never would have even seen a trial, he would have killed a black kid and walked away with no one asking questions. And that would have sent a very clear message to him that this was right and accepted in that community.

        • Love

          Why do people believe the system will “work” when the system has failed so many times?

          • AmericanIrish

            Because it’s what we have. What is the other option ? Agree or not, we have to at least give it a chance

    • Rosa

      Michael attacked the store clerk….Why else would he. He used his size, like I’m sure he’s done in the past to get away with it, but this time it bit him in the ass.

      • Raz Lemons

        Got a link to that interview ?

      • J. Fischer

        Officer Wilson had no idea there had been any purported robbery when he confronted the young man.

        Also, the store manager DID NOT call the police: a customer did that.

        But hey, Michael Brown is dead, so I suppose you think it’s all good.

      • EJ

        Wow, you are a cruel person. According to you, anyone who has ever looked like they possibly, may have done wrong in the past, deserve any accidental, possibly racially charged punishment, beating or shooting.

        • Love

          Okay, you’re finally getting it. Black people are all thugs in these psychotic school/movie shooter eyes (I’m using their logic). We should attempt to rid the world of these racist…so we don’t have to worry about any psychotic moments of school/movie theater shootings (I’m using their logic again) ever again.

      • Tupac_Back

        Attacked? And why are you treating it as if it’s some victory that the kid died? This is America,people shouldn’t be subjected to death for petty things like this.

        • jsfun

          accosting a cop and trying to take his gun isn’t petty it’s a felony 2 felony’s actually

          • Binky

            And the shoplifting became a felony when Brown put his hands on the Asian store owner and assaulted him.

          • Love

            well there was no report by that store owner that he ever shoplifted soooooo…..

          • Binky

            Sooooooooo………. what about that damning security video? :)

          • BertsWill

            He didn’t assault the cop. The cop has no injuries. If he was injured it would be in the police report. Guess what? The Ferguson police just admitted there it’s no police report.

            Why could that be? Either they never wrote down what happened because it shows Wilson murdered Brown or they wrote it down but destroyed the documentation because it proved Wilson killed Brown.

            If the information “leaked” by the PR team working for the Ferguson PD, that all the conservative nutjobs are repeating, were true wouldn’t it be written down somewhere? It’s not because it never happened and the truth would expose how corrupt the department is.

      • https://disqus.com/home/ sbslabradors

        Attacked? Or shoved? Could you be anymore dramatic?
        The store clerk never called the police. There is going to be a problem with that.
        Funny, I remember when they talked about the Irish that way…..

      • Carolyn Gray

        He absolutely did NOT attack the clerk. The store didn’t even report the so called ‘robbery’ What you see in the video is a smaller man going after Brown and then Brown pushing back. Believe this was a disagreement about a purchase – not a robbery per se. And you are so sure he tried to get away with it “in the past” but you don’t ‘know’ JACK.

        • Binky

          There is a store security video that says otherwise. He assaulted the store owner twice. Are you like Brown’s mother who claims the security video was photo-shopped to make it look like her son?

          These are the “things” that place a huge divide between many blacks and the rest of the US citizens.

      • Virg Prit

        This video does not show a damned thing that Brown was paying. he then picks up the clerk by the neck, shoves him away. The clerk is obviously asking for money, then Brown shove s him again. This proves this thug was not a nice guy. Brown did not get killed over cigarillos, he got killed because he physically fought an office and tried to take the officers gun and shoot the cop.

      • Perfect Timing

        It CLEARLY says he pushed the store clerk AFTER the clerk put his hands on mike first. 2nd the store clerk did NOT call police so how is being shot DEAD a worthy response?

    • imjustsaying

      Then why didn’t they call the police?

      • AmericanIrish

        Clearly someone did call the police.

        • Hezaa

          Haha, yeah! Just like someone called the police at the Walmart in Ohio! Just being helpful.

        • imjustsaying

          A customer.

    • TheVala

      So…if you robbed a store, you would be out in broad daylight, walking down the middle of the road, and attempting to attack a cop? Gotta love these couch judges.

      • AmericanIrish

        Merely expressing my opinion. Doesn’t appear to me that anyone paid for the cigars.
        But I to answer your question. ..if I was bold enough to strongarm an older store clerk..then its quite possible I would stroll down the road in broad daylight. Probably wouldn’t fear the cops either

        • Love

          probably wouldn’t picked up an item I dropped on the floor either…like brown did

    • C Atkins

      why don’t you watch the video where you can clearly see ‘michael brown’ taking some items checking his and putting some of the items back

      • AmericanIrish

        So you’re saying he didn’t steal anything ?! Odd that his partner would admit to it.

        • C Atkins

          The POLICE claim is partner admitted to it. Trouble with that is the shop keeper doesn’t. The police are trying to justify the boy’s killing by branding him a criminal. Watch the tape watch Brown put stuff back before he leaves

          • AmericanIrish

            I disagree. But even if he did steal them, that doesn’t justify killing him. Nor have I heard anyone claim that wad the reason he id dead. How about we all just wait for the facts?

    • Carolyn Gray

      Posting this is only FAIR if you want to get to the real truth behind the shooting of an unarmed man. If you just want to excuse same then of course you would object to this video and any questions surrounding what might have transpired.

      • AmericanIrish

        I have no objections to the truth of the matter. But show the whole , unedited version of what happened. There are ample opportunities to see the unedited version of the video. This actually does a dis-service to trying to get at the truth. He did steal cigars and shove the clerk..doesn’t mean he deserved to die

    • Middlemary

      AND he shoved the clerk in an intimadating manner!

    • Angelo Darden

      We know what DIDN’T happen; there was no robbery. Now unless rude behavior is a capital offense in Missouri, then your “bogus” justification falls apart. So spare me your lame speculations and your self serving musings on what events may have transpired and just admit that this attempt at character assassination failed.

      • AmericanIrish

        I wasn’t there, neither were you. So we are all just speculating. I offered no justification for anything. My opinion is no less valid than yours, except I offer mine without sarcastic overtones

  • labman57

    To no one’s surprise, the Ferguson PD appears to be attempting to create evidence to support a preconceived conclusion, all while misrepresenting evidence that does not support said conclusion.

    • J. Fischer

      And some of the people who believe them unconditionally post comments here.

    • jsfun

      where is anyone creating evidence? showed traces of having smoked pot in system = character assignation nope it simply something discovered same as any other investigation. stealing police said repeatedly had nothing to do with shooting weren’t even aware of store incident. fact is you just want to scream police brutality and be done with it. any evidence to the contrary means you’d have to go find something else to complain about with egg on your face and God knows you’d play that off till your dying day truth be dammed

      • Rich_De

        Good lord, get an education. That rambling rant makes no sense. Just more evidence the right wing is populated by the ignorant.

  • emeraldeyes24

    Why all the mystery? A competent, thorough investigation by any law enforcement agency would interview the clerk at the store and ensure what his version of the events was. He would remember a large, 6’3”, 300 lb young guy who he followed to the front of the store and whether he paid for his purchase or not. ”Strong arm robbery” is way over the top. At most it’s a shoplifting charge.

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