Since FOX News is no longer interested in racist domestic terrorist and freeloading welfare cowboy Cliven Bundy, the “professor of negro studies” appeared on CNN, who apparently decided to take a break from its Malaysian airliner debris watch to poke around at the Bundy Ranch situation.
CNN’s Bill Weir said to Bundy, “I gotta hand it to you Cliven: It’s not every man who can bring sort of our divided nation together. It’s not every guy who can have Harry Reid and Sean Hannity agreeing, but both men came together with the idea that your ideas are ignorant, and racist, and repugnant, and extreme. Do you understand why so many people from both sides of the political spectrum are so upset with what you said?”
Bundy, of course, did not understand–but it’s learning. Bundy somehow avoided the mention of slavery– which is an improvement over his initial statements that African Americans might have been better off as slaves “picking cotton”, when he doubled down on them, and when he later tripled down in a press conference.
Replacing his more racially charged words with “these people” (give him credit, folks–he’s trying) and “group of people,” Bundy attempted to sound sympathetic to the plight of black folks in America.
Bundy explained that he “didn’t mean to compare it with slavery” when he “wondered” if African Americans were, perhaps, better off as slaves because of the superior family structure and “something to do” that the wondrous institution offered. What he meant it say, according to Welfare Cowboy, is “life on the farm.” We can see how easy those two things would be to mix up. Bundy didn’t mean black people either when he said “negroes.” He meant to say, “people in the city.”
Weir responded, “Cliven, man, come on–I’m going to send you a copy of a book called Twelve Years a Slave because it doesn’t seem you understand the pain that this entire group of people went through for so long. We live in an era now where a black man can be President, instead of being owned by another.” He added, “It’s just deeply offensive–first of all to refer to these folks as “the negro…It’s deeply hurtful.”
Bundy broke out the victim card. “You know, I would have liked to have this discussion with private families instead of the world.” He explained that he still makes his stand, and that is still the way he feels (but remember, he is at least trying not to sound like a bigot). “And I feel that because I’ve seen it,” Bundy said. “If I’m wrong, OK, but I don’t think I’m wrong. I think I’m right.”
Weir continued to take Bundy to task. “Here’s where the irony really gets thick. You are writing off a whole class of people–African Americans–as sort of dangerously dependent because they get government assistance. At the same time, you’re grazing your cows on public land. For free.” He then drove the point home, “So how are you not sort of a welfare queen in a cowboy hat?”
Bundy responded, explaining that, “I may be a welfare queen, but I’ll tell ya I’m producing something for America.” You know, unlike those lazy “negroes.” He explained that his freeloading is excusable because he’s “using a resource no one else would use, or could use, and I’m putting red meat on your table.”
Weir didn’t buy Bundy’s excuse. “I love a burger, I love a good filet, but there are 16,000 other ranchers in Nevada who pay grazing fees. Aren’t you mooching off of them?”
Bundy deflected, assuming that he speaks for all of those 16,000 ranchers: “Well I’ll tell ya there’s 16,000 people not very happy, and there’s 16,000 people who signed contracts with the United States government, and they should be thinking about sovereignty of the state of Nevada and signing contracts with their county government.”
Weir once again shot down Bundy’s claim. Bundy, who claims “ancestral rights” dating back to the late 1870’s for the land (which his family purchased post-World War II), fails to realize that, as Weir explains, that particular land has been federally-owned since it was obtained from Mexico in 1864–well before Bundy claims his family began to work it. “You own a little bit, and we own the rest,” he told Bundy.
Bundy, backed into a corner, lashed out: “You better start respecting my rights a little bit, and start respecting state sovereignty a little bit–then you show me in the Constitution where says the United States government can possibly own this land that I graze my cattle on. You take five minutes and show me.”
Weir asked if Bundy and his supporters are really willing to spill the blood of American citizens over where his cows eat. He pointed out that the only reason the government came in “so heavy” is because of the threats Bundy and his people made. Bundy countered by asking if the federal government is willing to spill “We the People’s” blood over the issue–apparently not realizing that the answer to that is, “no.”
Bundy says he would pay his debt–which he claims is around $300,000 to “the proper form of government,” and says that he has never received a bill. However, he will only pay it to his county sheriff or to the state Governor of Nevada, neither of whom have the right to ask him to pay–as they do not own the land.
Watch the exchange, below: